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Where are the people now who were saying in previous threads things like "tick tock is safe, there is no way they abuse their users, invade privacy, or log devi

Where are the people now who were saying in previous threads things like "tick tock is safe, there is no way they abuse their users, invade privacy, or log devices on the users local wifi"?

simmerup 4y ago
They're busy shifting the goal posts
- lloydatkinson 4y ago
  Sounds about right, including downvoting my comment.
crazygringo 4y ago
Who was saying that? I feel like I've read a lot of HN threads on TikTok, and don't feel like I've ever seen anyone here say that, or no visible comments that weren't grayed out. People defending TikTok are generally questioning the risk of this data being weaponized by the CCP and whether it's even much of a weapon and whether that's worth it to ban them over. Not over whether TikTok voluntarily follows some privacy guidelines -- on that it's generally assumed they're either already vacuuming up all they can, or could turn that on at any time.
- SoylentYellow 4y ago
  The pro-CCP crowd all over Reddit has been saying it for years. The typical arguments are that there is zero evidence and the US is being anti-competitive and discriminatory.
  - snehk 4y ago
    Both things can be true and it doesn't have anything to do with being pro-anything. The US government has a very long history of simply lying about things when it fits their goals so independently verifiable evidence is what's needed. The German government is still waiting for the promised proof about Huawei backdoors, by the way. This was promised when Trump was president. The US didn't produce any proof whatsoever and leaks even showed that the NSA couldn't find anything even after gaining access to Huawei's systems. The UK also said that the US never produced any evidence for any of the claims. Now it might still be true that there's things going on but there's a huge difference between saying "We don't have proof but we obviously cannot be sure" and claiming to have proof.

Where are the people now who were saying in previous threads things like "tick tock is safe, there is no way they abuse their users, invade privacy, or log devices on the users local wifi"?

simmerup 4y ago

They're busy shifting the goal posts

lloydatkinson 4y ago
Sounds about right, including downvoting my comment.

crazygringo 4y ago

Who was saying that? I feel like I've read a lot of HN threads on TikTok, and don't feel like I've ever seen anyone here say that, or no visible comments that weren't grayed out. People defending TikTok are generally questioning the risk of this data being weaponized by the CCP and whether it's even much of a weapon and whether that's worth it to ban them over. Not over whether TikTok voluntarily follows some privacy guidelines -- on that it's generally assumed they're either already vacuuming up all they can, or could turn that on at any time.

SoylentYellow 4y ago
The pro-CCP crowd all over Reddit has been saying it for years. The typical arguments are that there is zero evidence and the US is being anti-competitive and discriminatory.
- snehk 4y ago
  Both things can be true and it doesn't have anything to do with being pro-anything. The US government has a very long history of simply lying about things when it fits their goals so independently verifiable evidence is what's needed. The German government is still waiting for the promised proof about Huawei backdoors, by the way. This was promised when Trump was president. The US didn't produce any proof whatsoever and leaks even showed that the NSA couldn't find anything even after gaining access to Huawei's systems. The UK also said that the US never produced any evidence for any of the claims. Now it might still be true that there's things going on but there's a huge difference between saying "We don't have proof but we obviously cannot be sure" and claiming to have proof.