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Study says it assesses the "totality of scientific evidence" but conveniently ignores all of the scientific evidence for the negative side effects of dairy. It

by s_m_t 4y ago

Study says it assesses the "totality of scientific evidence" but conveniently ignores all of the scientific evidence for the negative side effects of dairy. It is a very stupid study.

scythe 4y ago
>conveniently ignores all of the scientific evidence You should justify this assertion by highlighting the ignoring you claim occurs in the study. Here is a study with similar conclusions whose authors do not appear to have conflicts: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-012-0418-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-012-0418-1
- Retric 4y ago
  That study has a far narrower scope, and neither looked at all health impacts from milk consumption because the literature isn’t there. “Milk and dairy products: good or bad for human health? An assessment of the totality of scientific evidence” did look at many health impacts and all cause mortality which is a proxy for heath. But it didn’t particularly get into why it was dismissing studies showing decreased lifespan associated with milk consumption beyond listing studies showing the reverse. By comparison it spent a while focusing on why the association with colorectal cancer may not be an issue. That said, there isn’t a good way to measure all health impacts from specific foods because total health is so complicated. On top of this there are many confounding factors, presumably Truffles could be linked to health because consumption is linked to wealth. But nobody wants to publish “Milk: not extremely poisonous, more research needed.”
- s_m_t 4y ago
  The studies aren't doing the same thing. Yours looks at only the effects on obesity, cardiovascular, and metabolic disease. The OP's study purports to look at all health effects.
adrian_b 4y ago
I agree that I have also been quite surprised by their bold claim that their meta-analysis has included "the totality of available scientific evidence". An example that this claim is false is that there is no mention about the studies that have identified a correlation between the galactose intake (which comes from the lactose contained in dairy) and eye cataracts. From my anecdotal experience, because I have seen at least 4 cases of eye cataracts at people for whom dairy was a major part of their food, I believe that this association of galactose consumption with eye cataracts is true. Fortunately, nowadays for those with enough money and with access to a modern ophthalmology clinic eye cataracts are no longer debilitating due to the surgical replacement of the lenses. Nevertheless, it cannot be considered as a minor health issue, because not everybody is so lucky.
eloff 4y ago
The meta analysis of dairy that I have seen suggest there are health benefits, especially for cultivated dairy (cheese, yogurt, etc). Do you know otherwise?
- adrian_b 4y ago
  There is nothing wrong with consuming a moderate amount of dairy products. However the justification for this must be that you like their taste, not for supposed health benefits. Dairy contains a lot of nutrients and it is certainly preferable to many kinds of industrially-made food that are filled with dubious ingredients, colorants, flavors, sweeteners, oils and so on. On the other hand, in order to claim "health benefits", it would have been necessary for dairy to be a superior source for the included nutrients, which it is not. For proteins, a better source is lean meat, e.g. turkey breast or chicken breast, for fat much better sources are the vegetable fat sources, which allow the selection of an optimal fatty acid profile, for calcium a much better source is a supplement like calcium citrate powder, which allows the choice of any desired daily intake without disturbing the daily intakes for the other nutrients. It is good to enjoy dairy, but one should not try to rationalize this preference as being motivated by health concerns.
  - eloff 4y ago
    It depends what you’d substitute into your diet instead. Meta studies I’ve seen show lower mortality for people consuming cheese, butter, yogurt, sour cream, etc. Which suggests to me that the average person chooses worse substitutions. I don’t see why you’d include it in your diet if you don’t like it. But assuming you do, the evidence seems to suggest it won’t hurt you. It may even be better than common substitutes (like butter over margarine.)

by s_m_t 4y ago

Study says it assesses the "totality of scientific evidence" but conveniently ignores all of the scientific evidence for the negative side effects of dairy. It is a very stupid study.

scythe 4y ago

>conveniently ignores all of the scientific evidence You should justify this assertion by highlighting the ignoring you claim occurs in the study. Here is a study with similar conclusions whose authors do not appear to have conflicts: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-012-0418-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-012-0418-1

Retric 4y ago
That study has a far narrower scope, and neither looked at all health impacts from milk consumption because the literature isn’t there. “Milk and dairy products: good or bad for human health? An assessment of the totality of scientific evidence” did look at many health impacts and all cause mortality which is a proxy for heath. But it didn’t particularly get into why it was dismissing studies showing decreased lifespan associated with milk consumption beyond listing studies showing the reverse. By comparison it spent a while focusing on why the association with colorectal cancer may not be an issue. That said, there isn’t a good way to measure all health impacts from specific foods because total health is so complicated. On top of this there are many confounding factors, presumably Truffles could be linked to health because consumption is linked to wealth. But nobody wants to publish “Milk: not extremely poisonous, more research needed.”
s_m_t 4y ago
The studies aren't doing the same thing. Yours looks at only the effects on obesity, cardiovascular, and metabolic disease. The OP's study purports to look at all health effects.

adrian_b 4y ago

I agree that I have also been quite surprised by their bold claim that their meta-analysis has included "the totality of available scientific evidence". An example that this claim is false is that there is no mention about the studies that have identified a correlation between the galactose intake (which comes from the lactose contained in dairy) and eye cataracts. From my anecdotal experience, because I have seen at least 4 cases of eye cataracts at people for whom dairy was a major part of their food, I believe that this association of galactose consumption with eye cataracts is true. Fortunately, nowadays for those with enough money and with access to a modern ophthalmology clinic eye cataracts are no longer debilitating due to the surgical replacement of the lenses. Nevertheless, it cannot be considered as a minor health issue, because not everybody is so lucky.

eloff 4y ago

The meta analysis of dairy that I have seen suggest there are health benefits, especially for cultivated dairy (cheese, yogurt, etc). Do you know otherwise?

adrian_b 4y ago
There is nothing wrong with consuming a moderate amount of dairy products. However the justification for this must be that you like their taste, not for supposed health benefits. Dairy contains a lot of nutrients and it is certainly preferable to many kinds of industrially-made food that are filled with dubious ingredients, colorants, flavors, sweeteners, oils and so on. On the other hand, in order to claim "health benefits", it would have been necessary for dairy to be a superior source for the included nutrients, which it is not. For proteins, a better source is lean meat, e.g. turkey breast or chicken breast, for fat much better sources are the vegetable fat sources, which allow the selection of an optimal fatty acid profile, for calcium a much better source is a supplement like calcium citrate powder, which allows the choice of any desired daily intake without disturbing the daily intakes for the other nutrients. It is good to enjoy dairy, but one should not try to rationalize this preference as being motivated by health concerns.
- eloff 4y ago
  It depends what you’d substitute into your diet instead. Meta studies I’ve seen show lower mortality for people consuming cheese, butter, yogurt, sour cream, etc. Which suggests to me that the average person chooses worse substitutions. I don’t see why you’d include it in your diet if you don’t like it. But assuming you do, the evidence seems to suggest it won’t hurt you. It may even be better than common substitutes (like butter over margarine.)