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As others have said tracking consent through the TOS is also not valid. AFAIK the only legitimate way is "Do you want to be tracked? Yes/No". If that means le

As others have said tracking consent through the TOS is also not valid. AFAIK the only legitimate way is "Do you want to be tracked? Yes/No". If that means less ad based business models so be it (as far as the GDPR is concerned). Maybe it even means the return of quality content.

Moissanite 4y ago
I don't see how banning digital advertising would be anything other than a net positive to society and it drives me crazy that such an idea is beyond discussion thanks to how enthralled our political class is.
- baeaz 4y ago
  How will ad-supported sites function without ads? Government subsidies?
  - Moissanite 4y ago
    Hopefully they will just go away; much easier to understand the value proposition of some content if the owner has had to put an actual price tag on it. Yes, people will end up consuming less media - but given how precipitously the quality of news and news-like publishing has dropped, I'd be glad to have fewer, better sources of "journalism".
    - baeaz 4y ago
      If you don't like them then don't visit them or visit them with an ad blocker on. Don't deprive users from the content and don't deprive staff from their jobs.
      - Dah00n 4y ago
        This is just like the "I have nothing to hide so I don't mind tracking" argument.
        renewiltord 4y ago
        No. It's really not. It's "I would gladly give person A the thing I have X for the thing they'll give me Y but you won't let me because you don't want to do that". It's more like the minimum wage argument or something like that but you don't really need an analogy.
      - Moissanite 4y ago
        Not that simple. Even for paid media (Netflix, for example) advertising is starting to creep back in, because consumers have no way to resist it. Companies which don't gather ad money and just rely on actual value-transfer transactions get outcompeted. Advertising itself is only mildly offensive; if done with taste it can be no problem at all, but too many companies seemingly don't know when to stop - the line from Ready Player One about monetizing 70% of a person's field of view sounds exactly like what Meta and Google would do if they could get away with it. I want legislation on this topic to create breathing space for real businesses which make things of value.
    - fomine3 4y ago
      You're talking as a richer person.
      - Nextgrid 4y ago
        Advertisers aren’t charities though, their objective is to show ads to people who have the means to buy stuff - poor people seeing their ads (and having their content subsidised) isn’t something they want and they’d be more than happy to stop it should there become a reliable way of tracking and detecting poor people.
  - ls15 4y ago
    They can close if it is too expensive to run.
- ls15 4y ago
  > enthralled I never heard that word. Is that an euphemism for "corrupted"?
  - wlll 4y ago
    No, it means "capture the fascinated attention of". A child could be enthralled by a jigsaw puzzle.
    - Moissanite 4y ago
      "to hold in or reduce to slavery" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enthrall https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enthrall Context matters. If you are talking about a child with a jigsaw then sure, the more cutesy definition applies. But talking about politicians and money, you have to bend over backwards pretty far not to see the second definition as more appropriate.
  - Moissanite 4y ago
    Similar - more precisely another term for "enslaved". The subtle distinction in my mind is that enslavement is forceful, while enthrallment is more like people voluntarily baring their neck to a vampire, hoping for dark powers.
    - wlll 4y ago
      This isn't really true, it means "capture the fascinated attention of". A child could be enthralled by a jigsaw puzzle. You could argue that their attention has somehow been enslaved, but I can't recall ever hearing or reading any phrasing quite like it.
      - Moissanite 4y ago
        See my other reply; it is true according to https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enthrall https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enthrall

Moissanite 4y ago

I don't see how banning digital advertising would be anything other than a net positive to society and it drives me crazy that such an idea is beyond discussion thanks to how enthralled our political class is.

baeaz 4y ago
How will ad-supported sites function without ads? Government subsidies?
- Moissanite 4y ago
  Hopefully they will just go away; much easier to understand the value proposition of some content if the owner has had to put an actual price tag on it. Yes, people will end up consuming less media - but given how precipitously the quality of news and news-like publishing has dropped, I'd be glad to have fewer, better sources of "journalism".
  - baeaz 4y ago
    If you don't like them then don't visit them or visit them with an ad blocker on. Don't deprive users from the content and don't deprive staff from their jobs.
    - Dah00n 4y ago
      This is just like the "I have nothing to hide so I don't mind tracking" argument.
      - renewiltord 4y ago
        No. It's really not. It's "I would gladly give person A the thing I have X for the thing they'll give me Y but you won't let me because you don't want to do that". It's more like the minimum wage argument or something like that but you don't really need an analogy.
    - Moissanite 4y ago
      Not that simple. Even for paid media (Netflix, for example) advertising is starting to creep back in, because consumers have no way to resist it. Companies which don't gather ad money and just rely on actual value-transfer transactions get outcompeted. Advertising itself is only mildly offensive; if done with taste it can be no problem at all, but too many companies seemingly don't know when to stop - the line from Ready Player One about monetizing 70% of a person's field of view sounds exactly like what Meta and Google would do if they could get away with it. I want legislation on this topic to create breathing space for real businesses which make things of value.
  - fomine3 4y ago
    You're talking as a richer person.
    - Nextgrid 4y ago
      Advertisers aren’t charities though, their objective is to show ads to people who have the means to buy stuff - poor people seeing their ads (and having their content subsidised) isn’t something they want and they’d be more than happy to stop it should there become a reliable way of tracking and detecting poor people.
- ls15 4y ago
  They can close if it is too expensive to run.
ls15 4y ago
> enthralled I never heard that word. Is that an euphemism for "corrupted"?
- wlll 4y ago
  No, it means "capture the fascinated attention of". A child could be enthralled by a jigsaw puzzle.
  - Moissanite 4y ago
    "to hold in or reduce to slavery" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enthrall https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enthrall Context matters. If you are talking about a child with a jigsaw then sure, the more cutesy definition applies. But talking about politicians and money, you have to bend over backwards pretty far not to see the second definition as more appropriate.
- Moissanite 4y ago
  Similar - more precisely another term for "enslaved". The subtle distinction in my mind is that enslavement is forceful, while enthrallment is more like people voluntarily baring their neck to a vampire, hoping for dark powers.
  - wlll 4y ago
    This isn't really true, it means "capture the fascinated attention of". A child could be enthralled by a jigsaw puzzle. You could argue that their attention has somehow been enslaved, but I can't recall ever hearing or reading any phrasing quite like it.
    - Moissanite 4y ago
      See my other reply; it is true according to https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enthrall https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enthrall