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> the people that actually did try to murder the congress. You honestly believe that there was an attempt to murder the congress? They planned a mass murder, b

> the people that actually did try to murder the congress. You honestly believe that there was an attempt to murder the congress? They planned a mass murder, but settled for selfies in the rotunda? > When Trump's January 6 riot happened, there were just the much smaller regular capital police forces at the capital, no national guards. Could you clarify what exactly you're trying to say here? You seem to be implying some kind of vast right-wing conspiracy.

chitowneats 4y ago
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richbell 4y ago
> You honestly believe that there was an attempt to murder the congress? They planned a mass murder, but settled for selfies in the rotunda? What about the people that showed up with tactical gear and were obviously organized and coordinated? I don't think the Oath Keepers were arrested and charged with seditious conspiracy because they took selfies. https://youtu.be/jWJVMoe7OY0 https://youtu.be/jWJVMoe7OY0 > Could you clarify what exactly you're trying to say here? You seem to be implying some kind of vast right-wing conspiracy. Why did the Secret Service 'accidentally' delete messages from Jan 6th? Why didn't Mike Pence let the Secret Service evacuate him? Clearly he thought it was of the utmost importance that he stay and finish certifying the election. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/pence-car-raskin-comments/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/pence-car...
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  > What about the people that showed up with tactical gear What does "tactical gear" mean specifically? How many firearms did they bring per person? Right wing extremists are well armed right? I bet it was like 10 guns for each person, surely.
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  - sonotathrowaway 4y ago
    > The defendants also, collectively, employed a variety of manners and means, including: organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons, and supplies – including knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection, and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; using force against law enforcement officers while inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021; continuing to plot, after Jan. 6, 2021, to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power, and using websites, social media, text messaging and encrypted messaging applications to communicate with each other and others. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related-us https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-... I know you probably have a hard time understanding facts that disagree with your worldview, but these pesky facts have already been established in federal court. If you have evidence that the DoJ lied I suggest you present it in federal court, where these facts have already been confirmed as true.
    - LarryMullins 4y ago
      So how many firearms did they bring to this insurrection?
      - sonotathrowaway 4y ago
        > A member of the Oath Keepers who traveled with the group to Washington D.C. ahead of the Jan. 6 riot described a massive stockpile of firearms and other weaponry that allies had stashed in an Arlington, Va. hotel. > “I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military,” recalled Terry Cummings, a Florida resident who said he joined the Oath Keepers in 2020 amid concerns about left-wing violence in Portland, Ore. and joined the group leaders’ private chats in advance of their Jan. 6 trip to D.C. https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/10/12/oath-keeper-describes-groups-large-weapons-cache-ahead-of-jan-6-00061449 https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/10/12/oath-keeper-des... I understand that accepting reality is going to be very hard for you, but that’s okay. Your hero Stewart Rhodes is already a convict and is awaiting sentencing, and no amount of crying on the internet can change that. You could try to contact his lawyers and tell them about your genius strategy of asking questions that you won’t accept answers to, I think that will definitely free him. Your opinions are definitely more valid then evidence presented and accepted in federal court.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> They planned a mass murder, but settled for selfies in the rotunda? While they didn't plan to murder the whole Congress it is clear that they intended to attempt to coerce Congress to act to install Trump despite the election results using force and threats of force, including deadly force, against at least key actors (including, but not limited to, the Vice President), and that the reason they did not is that they, in several instances narrowly, and in one case through application of lethal force, were prevented from reaching their targets.
- Amezarak 4y ago
  I saw the video of the woman being shot. She was unarmed. Nor did any of the protesters in the video appear to have firearms. If they intended to use deadly force this is a strange failure to plan, particularly for people that fetishize guns. As best as I can tell this protest is being dramatically overhyped compared to very similar protests in the Capitol and other government buildings. I guess they didn’t get the memo that the Capitol is not a “free speech zone”, as I remember we complained about during the Bush years. Protests in Canada and the US are only allowed now with the proper permitting, in certain areas, and if they don’t threaten the existing power structure.
  - sonotathrowaway 4y ago
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    - Amezarak 4y ago
      I am not a Republican, and have voted straight-D for multiple decades, with two single candidate exceptions. This isn’t a partisan thing for me. That is why I was careful to say exactly what I said without making broader claims or citing the DoJ of all organizations (on this thread of all threads!) or some Fox News article.
      - sonotathrowaway 4y ago
        I’m betting you’re lying, given your complete denial of reality. Specifically, it’s really only Republicans that are in denial that Stewart Rhodes and his associates have been convicted of seditious conspiracy. In very simple language, this means that the argument that they engaged in a peaceful protest is complete and utter bullshit to anyone who has the ability to perform simple google searches. Again, this argument has already been definitively refuted in federal court.

chitowneats 4y ago

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richbell 4y ago

> You honestly believe that there was an attempt to murder the congress? They planned a mass murder, but settled for selfies in the rotunda? What about the people that showed up with tactical gear and were obviously organized and coordinated? I don't think the Oath Keepers were arrested and charged with seditious conspiracy because they took selfies. https://youtu.be/jWJVMoe7OY0 https://youtu.be/jWJVMoe7OY0 > Could you clarify what exactly you're trying to say here? You seem to be implying some kind of vast right-wing conspiracy. Why did the Secret Service 'accidentally' delete messages from Jan 6th? Why didn't Mike Pence let the Secret Service evacuate him? Clearly he thought it was of the utmost importance that he stay and finish certifying the election. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/pence-car-raskin-comments/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/pence-car...

LarryMullins 4y ago
> What about the people that showed up with tactical gear What does "tactical gear" mean specifically? How many firearms did they bring per person? Right wing extremists are well armed right? I bet it was like 10 guns for each person, surely.
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- sonotathrowaway 4y ago
  > The defendants also, collectively, employed a variety of manners and means, including: organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons, and supplies – including knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection, and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; using force against law enforcement officers while inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021; continuing to plot, after Jan. 6, 2021, to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power, and using websites, social media, text messaging and encrypted messaging applications to communicate with each other and others. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related-us https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-... I know you probably have a hard time understanding facts that disagree with your worldview, but these pesky facts have already been established in federal court. If you have evidence that the DoJ lied I suggest you present it in federal court, where these facts have already been confirmed as true.
  - LarryMullins 4y ago
    So how many firearms did they bring to this insurrection?
    - sonotathrowaway 4y ago
      > A member of the Oath Keepers who traveled with the group to Washington D.C. ahead of the Jan. 6 riot described a massive stockpile of firearms and other weaponry that allies had stashed in an Arlington, Va. hotel. > “I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military,” recalled Terry Cummings, a Florida resident who said he joined the Oath Keepers in 2020 amid concerns about left-wing violence in Portland, Ore. and joined the group leaders’ private chats in advance of their Jan. 6 trip to D.C. https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/10/12/oath-keeper-describes-groups-large-weapons-cache-ahead-of-jan-6-00061449 https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/10/12/oath-keeper-des... I understand that accepting reality is going to be very hard for you, but that’s okay. Your hero Stewart Rhodes is already a convict and is awaiting sentencing, and no amount of crying on the internet can change that. You could try to contact his lawyers and tell them about your genius strategy of asking questions that you won’t accept answers to, I think that will definitely free him. Your opinions are definitely more valid then evidence presented and accepted in federal court.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> They planned a mass murder, but settled for selfies in the rotunda? While they didn't plan to murder the whole Congress it is clear that they intended to attempt to coerce Congress to act to install Trump despite the election results using force and threats of force, including deadly force, against at least key actors (including, but not limited to, the Vice President), and that the reason they did not is that they, in several instances narrowly, and in one case through application of lethal force, were prevented from reaching their targets.

Amezarak 4y ago
I saw the video of the woman being shot. She was unarmed. Nor did any of the protesters in the video appear to have firearms. If they intended to use deadly force this is a strange failure to plan, particularly for people that fetishize guns. As best as I can tell this protest is being dramatically overhyped compared to very similar protests in the Capitol and other government buildings. I guess they didn’t get the memo that the Capitol is not a “free speech zone”, as I remember we complained about during the Bush years. Protests in Canada and the US are only allowed now with the proper permitting, in certain areas, and if they don’t threaten the existing power structure.
- sonotathrowaway 4y ago
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  - Amezarak 4y ago
    I am not a Republican, and have voted straight-D for multiple decades, with two single candidate exceptions. This isn’t a partisan thing for me. That is why I was careful to say exactly what I said without making broader claims or citing the DoJ of all organizations (on this thread of all threads!) or some Fox News article.
    - sonotathrowaway 4y ago
      I’m betting you’re lying, given your complete denial of reality. Specifically, it’s really only Republicans that are in denial that Stewart Rhodes and his associates have been convicted of seditious conspiracy. In very simple language, this means that the argument that they engaged in a peaceful protest is complete and utter bullshit to anyone who has the ability to perform simple google searches. Again, this argument has already been definitively refuted in federal court.