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Excited to see this on HN. I've been talking about the End of Localhost this year (https://dx.tips/the-end-of-localhost https://dx.tips/the-end-of-localhost) an

by swyx 4y ago

Excited to see this on HN. I've been talking about the End of Localhost this year (https://dx.tips/the-end-of-localhost https://dx.tips/the-end-of-localhost) and Coherence's docs (https://docs.withcoherence.com/docs/overview/coherence-vs-other-software https://docs.withcoherence.com/docs/overview/coherence-vs-ot...) give the best map of the landscape i have yet seen. Netlify and Vercel made preview environments a standard part of the workflow for all frontend developers. my usual soundbite on this stuff is we need to treat our envs like cattle, not pets, to make up and discard as casually as a git branch. i think there are a number of startups (eg Railway, Brev) are all feeling their way towards this future. my one wish is that someone make a credible industry standard for environment branching that everyone can build toward, including 3rd party vendors (eg Planetscale/Neon) and open source multi-service frameworks (eg Temporal, Airbyte where i work).

ownagefool 4y ago
I and, reading the comments, have been doing ephemerals for a long time. You can take my localhost from my cold dead hands :p I could get behind the death of staging tho.
- throwaway5752 4y ago
  Ephemerals are great, local environments are great, staging (or beta, or pre-prod) are great. Not every product is the same, and there's no reason for a single deployment approach to the problem. These different types of deployments are just tools to be picked and chosen from to deliver the best solution for a given problem. This article made Coherence look not particularly savvy, and I'm not sure I'd trust them as an expert partner after reading this. If anyone from Coherence is reading this, you can talk to experts in deployments by talking about how complementary preview environments can help solve problems in staging while not handwaving over the necessity of pre-production environments like you did in the Traditional staging bottlenecks section.

by swyx 4y ago

ownagefool 4y ago

I and, reading the comments, have been doing ephemerals for a long time. You can take my localhost from my cold dead hands :p I could get behind the death of staging tho.

throwaway5752 4y ago
Ephemerals are great, local environments are great, staging (or beta, or pre-prod) are great. Not every product is the same, and there's no reason for a single deployment approach to the problem. These different types of deployments are just tools to be picked and chosen from to deliver the best solution for a given problem. This article made Coherence look not particularly savvy, and I'm not sure I'd trust them as an expert partner after reading this. If anyone from Coherence is reading this, you can talk to experts in deployments by talking about how complementary preview environments can help solve problems in staging while not handwaving over the necessity of pre-production environments like you did in the Traditional staging bottlenecks section.