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Dear internet: You've been trolled

17 points by llambda 15y ago

losethos 15y ago
I'm the one who said cheaters would get in over their heads. Plagarist. God is just. Same holds for affirmative action. God says... C:\LoseThos\www.losethos.com\text\BIBLE.TXT th among the trumpets, Ha, ha; and he smelleth the battle afar off, the thunder of the captains, and the shouting. 39:26 Doth the hawk fly by thy wisdom, and stretch her wings toward the south? 39:27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high? 39:28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place. 39:29 From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off. 39:30 Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, -------- Jesus said not to take the place of honor at a banquet. Affirmative action?
danso 15y ago
I wager the OP knows more about the Magna Carta than I do, but boy did he miss the point. He says himself that the Magna Carta was written to restrain the king. That does not translate to not calling someone out for a transgression. For example, in America, if I witness you beating my child to death with a bat, you are still innocent until proven guilty...in the eyes of the court. But I have every right to call you a murderer and blare it across the land if i want
- raganwald 15y ago
  I think you mistake my point, or I missed you when I aimed it. My question is not whether the essay should make a factual statement about the existence of a web page that purports to be an essay submitted as coursework and more than it is about a fictitious accusation of murder. My essay is about what we do when we encounter the accusation. I am not all that concerned about someone shouting “Jim Henson murdered Frank Oz.” I am concerned with whether people hearing this cry repeat it and turn it into folklore (“Everybody knows Jim murdered Frank”) that becomes the basis for punishment in practice (“Hire Jim? No way, I heard he’s a killer”).
  - jerrya 15y ago
    I think your metaphor is slightly off. You're not just complaining about "trolling the internet", but more about trolling homo sapiens via its vulnerability to the two minute hate virus. This exploit, most famously described by Orwell, is constantly used by folks of all persuasion to sway, motivate, manipulate, accumulate public opinion and to distract through the use of a two minute flash hate. Sometimes best described by this image: http://songwroter.com/igod/ThisIsAnOutrage2.jpg http://songwroter.com/igod/ThisIsAnOutrage2.jpg It is indeed a shame that on the cusp of 2012, this exploit has still not been closed.
  - spacemanaki 15y ago
    I think I missed the point too, because this comment, your comments on the College Misery HN thread, and your other posts about Internet mobs (I'm having deja vu, I think you must have commented about this in the past) just come off as more clear headed and make much more sense than this blog post. I can only speak for myself, but I think it's partly that you have some thinly veiled support for people gaming the credentialism system and because I have a knee jerk reaction to plagiarism that's probably partly indoctrination and partly some moral sense of fairness. Personally, I am really interested in hearing more of your thoughts about the credentialism issue (I apologize if you've blogged about it before and I've missed it). But I think that the issue of Internet lynch mobs is a different topic and getting these two topics with potentials for emotional reactions mixed up is what's confusing me.
  - Semiapies 15y ago
    If we're to continue this metaphor, you're essentially complaining that someone pointed out, "Hey, Jim Henson posted a video on YouTube of himself murdering Frank Oz and disposing of the body!" and then you encountered people expressing disapproval of said murder.
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17 points by llambda 15y ago

I'm the one who said cheaters would get in over their heads. Plagarist. God is just. Same holds for affirmative action. God says... C:\LoseThos\www.losethos.com\text\BIBLE.TXT th among the trumpets, Ha, ha; and he smelleth the battle afar off, the thunder of the captains, and the shouting. 39:26 Doth the hawk fly by thy wisdom, and stretch her wings toward the south? 39:27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high? 39:28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place. 39:29 From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off. 39:30 Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, -------- Jesus said not to take the place of honor at a banquet. Affirmative action?

danso 15y ago

I wager the OP knows more about the Magna Carta than I do, but boy did he miss the point. He says himself that the Magna Carta was written to restrain the king. That does not translate to not calling someone out for a transgression. For example, in America, if I witness you beating my child to death with a bat, you are still innocent until proven guilty...in the eyes of the court. But I have every right to call you a murderer and blare it across the land if i want

raganwald 15y ago
I think you mistake my point, or I missed you when I aimed it. My question is not whether the essay should make a factual statement about the existence of a web page that purports to be an essay submitted as coursework and more than it is about a fictitious accusation of murder. My essay is about what we do when we encounter the accusation. I am not all that concerned about someone shouting “Jim Henson murdered Frank Oz.” I am concerned with whether people hearing this cry repeat it and turn it into folklore (“Everybody knows Jim murdered Frank”) that becomes the basis for punishment in practice (“Hire Jim? No way, I heard he’s a killer”).
- jerrya 15y ago
  I think your metaphor is slightly off. You're not just complaining about "trolling the internet", but more about trolling homo sapiens via its vulnerability to the two minute hate virus. This exploit, most famously described by Orwell, is constantly used by folks of all persuasion to sway, motivate, manipulate, accumulate public opinion and to distract through the use of a two minute flash hate. Sometimes best described by this image: http://songwroter.com/igod/ThisIsAnOutrage2.jpg http://songwroter.com/igod/ThisIsAnOutrage2.jpg It is indeed a shame that on the cusp of 2012, this exploit has still not been closed.
- spacemanaki 15y ago
  I think I missed the point too, because this comment, your comments on the College Misery HN thread, and your other posts about Internet mobs (I'm having deja vu, I think you must have commented about this in the past) just come off as more clear headed and make much more sense than this blog post. I can only speak for myself, but I think it's partly that you have some thinly veiled support for people gaming the credentialism system and because I have a knee jerk reaction to plagiarism that's probably partly indoctrination and partly some moral sense of fairness. Personally, I am really interested in hearing more of your thoughts about the credentialism issue (I apologize if you've blogged about it before and I've missed it). But I think that the issue of Internet lynch mobs is a different topic and getting these two topics with potentials for emotional reactions mixed up is what's confusing me.
- Semiapies 15y ago
  If we're to continue this metaphor, you're essentially complaining that someone pointed out, "Hey, Jim Henson posted a video on YouTube of himself murdering Frank Oz and disposing of the body!" and then you encountered people expressing disapproval of said murder.

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