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Documentary Exposes How the FBI Tried to Destroy MLK with Wiretaps, Blackmail

57 points by Jimmc414 4y ago

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the_optimist 4y ago
This is the old FBI, not the new one that claims internet censorship is just part of the daily routine and that no one is responsible for years of fraudulent Trump-Russia propaganda. If you support this mechanism when it becomes politically useful, you 1) lack principle and 2) deserve to be on the wrong end of it.
- sasattack 4y ago
  What year do you think the FBI changed? When did they stop being a white supremacist occupational force that murders and oppressors anybody who attempts to fight for their rights ?
  - rnk 4y ago
    Let's also look back at the last few years - did we have an obvious problem in the FBI excusing the actions of protests against deadly police actions, or was the actual problem that there was a measurable amount of people in the FBI supporting and/or ignoring the people that actually did try to murder the congress. It's pretty clear. When there was the large BLM protest in Washington DC there were lots of federal crowd control, also no one tried to break into the capital. When Trump's January 6 riot happened, there were just the much smaller regular capital police forces at the capital, no national guards.
    - marcusverus 4y ago
      > the people that actually did try to murder the congress. You honestly believe that there was an attempt to murder the congress? They planned a mass murder, but settled for selfies in the rotunda? > When Trump's January 6 riot happened, there were just the much smaller regular capital police forces at the capital, no national guards. Could you clarify what exactly you're trying to say here? You seem to be implying some kind of vast right-wing conspiracy.
      - chitowneats 4y ago
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      - richbell 4y ago
        > You honestly believe that there was an attempt to murder the congress? They planned a mass murder, but settled for selfies in the rotunda? What about the people that showed up with tactical gear and were obviously organized and coordinated? I don't think the Oath Keepers were arrested and charged with seditious conspiracy because they took selfies. https://youtu.be/jWJVMoe7OY0 https://youtu.be/jWJVMoe7OY0 > Could you clarify what exactly you're trying to say here? You seem to be implying some kind of vast right-wing conspiracy. Why did the Secret Service 'accidentally' delete messages from Jan 6th? Why didn't Mike Pence let the Secret Service evacuate him? Clearly he thought it was of the utmost importance that he stay and finish certifying the election. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/pence-car-raskin-comments/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/pence-car...
        LarryMullins 4y ago
        > What about the people that showed up with tactical gear What does "tactical gear" mean specifically? How many firearms did they bring per person? Right wing extremists are well armed right? I bet it was like 10 guns for each person, surely.
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        sonotathrowaway 4y ago
        > The defendants also, collectively, employed a variety of manners and means, including: organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons, and supplies – including knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection, and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; using force against law enforcement officers while inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021; continuing to plot, after Jan. 6, 2021, to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power, and using websites, social media, text messaging and encrypted messaging applications to communicate with each other and others. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related-us https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-... I know you probably have a hard time understanding facts that disagree with your worldview, but these pesky facts have already been established in federal court. If you have evidence that the DoJ lied I suggest you present it in federal court, where these facts have already been confirmed as true.
  - the_optimist 4y ago
    I think it might have been in the early 2010s, when they finally gained the ability to access global financial and communications data rooted in the Patriot Act. Probably under Mueller, when he was busy framing Assange in Iceland with Sigi.
    - sasattack 4y ago
      If you had to guess just off the top of your head since the beginning of the George Floyd protest how many BLM protesters who are black have simply disappeared into the night never to be seen again?
rnk 4y ago
No one can be exposed (or reminded) about how the country's top police force, the FBI, worked to completely destroy civil rights figures (MLK was against violence, actually made a big difference in the success of our country, and then was murdered in such a careless manner) - but: no one should be able to learn about these kinds of actions and then say we don't have a long history of endemic racism. Yet here we are today, with many people convinced that the real problem in America is we talk about our racist history too much and it hurts the feelings of white people.
- chitowneats 4y ago
  And I'm sure the good liberals who like to dwell on such history are deeply concerned about the contemporary issue of how the FBI has infiltrated our social networks, and is actively involved in a disinformation campaign against Americans? Of course not. Because this time, the FBI is working for them, or so they believe. You see, the critics you describe are aware of the history. We're also aware that you all are complete hypocrites, only interested in gaining political advantage and making disparaging comments about white people. That's why you focus on 1950 instead of 2022.
  - thelock85 4y ago
    Extending your comparison, do you believe the conservative activists and organizers of the 50s and 60s knew of the FBI’s campaign against MLK and others, but were perfectly okay because it served their political interests? Because it seems that you are saying liberal activists and organizers of today are co-signing the FBI’s psychops for political gain. If true that seems fringe, not mainstream but I could be wrong. Also from a political organizing perspective, it’s advantageous for anyone critical of the FBI to talk about their actions of the past, as a way to bring more attention to what they are doing today. A partisan argument does the exact opposite.
    - chitowneats 4y ago
      Back in those days, I assume the population had no clue. But the conservative establishment in government certainly did. I was a Democrat in the 80's, 90's, and 00's. I'd like to think that I would have been one in the 50's given all that was going on. Today, of course, I'm a committed independent because of the unfortunate path the Dems have taken. > Because it seems that you are saying liberal activists and organizers of today are co-signing the FBI’s psychops for political gain. If true that seems fringe, not mainstream but I could be wrong. Most of what I've seen from the political left since the Twitter files and the removal of Trump from Twitter has been justification for censorship and heavy handed actions from federal agencies. Doesn't seem fringe at all. The principled position of civil liberties, free speech, etc, is all but extinct among mainstream Democrats. As for your last point, I agree. But that's very much not the argument GP was making.
Ghoyome 4y ago
The declassifieds on Malcom X are even wilder.

57 points by Jimmc414 4y ago

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This is the old FBI, not the new one that claims internet censorship is just part of the daily routine and that no one is responsible for years of fraudulent Trump-Russia propaganda. If you support this mechanism when it becomes politically useful, you 1) lack principle and 2) deserve to be on the wrong end of it.

sasattack 4y ago
What year do you think the FBI changed? When did they stop being a white supremacist occupational force that murders and oppressors anybody who attempts to fight for their rights ?
- rnk 4y ago
  Let's also look back at the last few years - did we have an obvious problem in the FBI excusing the actions of protests against deadly police actions, or was the actual problem that there was a measurable amount of people in the FBI supporting and/or ignoring the people that actually did try to murder the congress. It's pretty clear. When there was the large BLM protest in Washington DC there were lots of federal crowd control, also no one tried to break into the capital. When Trump's January 6 riot happened, there were just the much smaller regular capital police forces at the capital, no national guards.
  - marcusverus 4y ago
    > the people that actually did try to murder the congress. You honestly believe that there was an attempt to murder the congress? They planned a mass murder, but settled for selfies in the rotunda? > When Trump's January 6 riot happened, there were just the much smaller regular capital police forces at the capital, no national guards. Could you clarify what exactly you're trying to say here? You seem to be implying some kind of vast right-wing conspiracy.
    - chitowneats 4y ago
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    - richbell 4y ago
      > You honestly believe that there was an attempt to murder the congress? They planned a mass murder, but settled for selfies in the rotunda? What about the people that showed up with tactical gear and were obviously organized and coordinated? I don't think the Oath Keepers were arrested and charged with seditious conspiracy because they took selfies. https://youtu.be/jWJVMoe7OY0 https://youtu.be/jWJVMoe7OY0 > Could you clarify what exactly you're trying to say here? You seem to be implying some kind of vast right-wing conspiracy. Why did the Secret Service 'accidentally' delete messages from Jan 6th? Why didn't Mike Pence let the Secret Service evacuate him? Clearly he thought it was of the utmost importance that he stay and finish certifying the election. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/pence-car-raskin-comments/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/pence-car...
      - LarryMullins 4y ago
        > What about the people that showed up with tactical gear What does "tactical gear" mean specifically? How many firearms did they bring per person? Right wing extremists are well armed right? I bet it was like 10 guns for each person, surely.
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        sonotathrowaway 4y ago
        > The defendants also, collectively, employed a variety of manners and means, including: organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons, and supplies – including knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection, and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; using force against law enforcement officers while inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021; continuing to plot, after Jan. 6, 2021, to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power, and using websites, social media, text messaging and encrypted messaging applications to communicate with each other and others. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related-us https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-... I know you probably have a hard time understanding facts that disagree with your worldview, but these pesky facts have already been established in federal court. If you have evidence that the DoJ lied I suggest you present it in federal court, where these facts have already been confirmed as true.
- the_optimist 4y ago
  I think it might have been in the early 2010s, when they finally gained the ability to access global financial and communications data rooted in the Patriot Act. Probably under Mueller, when he was busy framing Assange in Iceland with Sigi.
  - sasattack 4y ago
    If you had to guess just off the top of your head since the beginning of the George Floyd protest how many BLM protesters who are black have simply disappeared into the night never to be seen again?

rnk 4y ago

No one can be exposed (or reminded) about how the country's top police force, the FBI, worked to completely destroy civil rights figures (MLK was against violence, actually made a big difference in the success of our country, and then was murdered in such a careless manner) - but: no one should be able to learn about these kinds of actions and then say we don't have a long history of endemic racism. Yet here we are today, with many people convinced that the real problem in America is we talk about our racist history too much and it hurts the feelings of white people.

chitowneats 4y ago
And I'm sure the good liberals who like to dwell on such history are deeply concerned about the contemporary issue of how the FBI has infiltrated our social networks, and is actively involved in a disinformation campaign against Americans? Of course not. Because this time, the FBI is working for them, or so they believe. You see, the critics you describe are aware of the history. We're also aware that you all are complete hypocrites, only interested in gaining political advantage and making disparaging comments about white people. That's why you focus on 1950 instead of 2022.
- thelock85 4y ago
  Extending your comparison, do you believe the conservative activists and organizers of the 50s and 60s knew of the FBI’s campaign against MLK and others, but were perfectly okay because it served their political interests? Because it seems that you are saying liberal activists and organizers of today are co-signing the FBI’s psychops for political gain. If true that seems fringe, not mainstream but I could be wrong. Also from a political organizing perspective, it’s advantageous for anyone critical of the FBI to talk about their actions of the past, as a way to bring more attention to what they are doing today. A partisan argument does the exact opposite.
  - chitowneats 4y ago
    Back in those days, I assume the population had no clue. But the conservative establishment in government certainly did. I was a Democrat in the 80's, 90's, and 00's. I'd like to think that I would have been one in the 50's given all that was going on. Today, of course, I'm a committed independent because of the unfortunate path the Dems have taken. > Because it seems that you are saying liberal activists and organizers of today are co-signing the FBI’s psychops for political gain. If true that seems fringe, not mainstream but I could be wrong. Most of what I've seen from the political left since the Twitter files and the removal of Trump from Twitter has been justification for censorship and heavy handed actions from federal agencies. Doesn't seem fringe at all. The principled position of civil liberties, free speech, etc, is all but extinct among mainstream Democrats. As for your last point, I agree. But that's very much not the argument GP was making.

Ghoyome 4y ago

The declassifieds on Malcom X are even wilder.