5 ms·

I'm part of that range (late millennial to gen-z) and I feel that lost hope. I don't speak for everyone in my cohort, but from my experience, I lost my hope wh

I'm part of that range (late millennial to gen-z) and I feel that lost hope. I don't speak for everyone in my cohort, but from my experience, I lost my hope when orange guy took the chair. Him and the people who follow him seem to have a penchant for "fsck you, got mine" and because it was never corrected early on that attitude became the beating drum of the nation for 4 years. For 4 years the worst behaviors of people went unchecked out in the open and now those same people yell and scream censorship when you try and correct it. Our generation has been the punching bag for everything and finally we've just had enough. Our outlook for the future has never been worse. We were told growing up to always hope for "a better year" but that "better year" was more often than not better for everyone else but us. We're on track to be worse off than our parents in both generational wealth and opportunities [1] and people are just finally done blindly hoping for things to get better. Most people in my generation have stopped planning for the future because this country was too concerned about giving money and tax breaks to the already obscenely rich. Elon's purchase of Twitter and subsequent actions have only dampened my hopes of anything getting better. When billionaires can piss away 44 billion dollars and cause all sorts of chaos just because they feel like it, meanwhile people in my generation are forced to work two jobs just to barely make a living wage, yeah I don't have much hope left for a better future if this is what the new normal looks like... [1] https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/11/politics/millennials-income-stalled-upward-mobility-us/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/11/politics/millennials-income-s...

stcroixx 4y ago
Trying to be helpful as someone who has seen a lot of presidents come and go. You can make the decision to not let these external events out of your control affect you so much. Politicians have some differences at the surface, but they are far more minor than portrayed. For a long time Trump was a democrat and the Clintons went to his wedding. The moneyed class stick together and look out for themselves. Don't look to politicians or leaders for the change you want - it's more effective at a personal level and you have control. My Dad worked 2 jobs when I was growing up in the 80's so we could live in a tiny house. His parents lived through the depression. All had a more positive personal outlook than the average today. You only get this one trip.
liveoneggs 4y ago
All of that stuff is just what you were told. Twitter doesn't matter, as corrupt as Trump he was - he was less evil than G. W. Bush! Seeing that political + moneyed corruption and feeling the dread of your victimization is just a part of getting older. Buckle up; it only gets worse.
landemva 4y ago
> when orange guy took the chair If politics affect you so deeply, I am wondering what you have done to get involved in politics. Do you go to county Democrat monthly meeting? Did you join a campaign as a volunteer and make phone calls for a candidate?
- jfengel 4y ago
  Fighting it politically would not resolve the fact that almost half of the country wanted him to be in that chair. Even if he has lost that election -- and would have, had the rules not specifically favored the people who support him -- they would still be out there, making choices that are, as far as I can tell, objectively both absurd and hateful. If one has to work that hard just to keep utter stupidity at bay, what hope is there of actually making anything better? Whether they manage to be 51% of the vote or 49% of the vote, it's still an enormous drain on optimism. Optimism should be for solving hard problems, not trivial ones, like "let's not elect conspiracy theorists". When we can't even solve the trivial problems reliably, what point is there in thinking about ones that would actually be satisfying? That is what those monthly county meetings should be about. There are genuine challenges over genuine differences of opinion between parties about how to best resolve the issues. Instead, you go to that meeting demoralized about the question of getting around the fact that half the country thinks that you voted for a child abuser and have been taken in by numerous vast hoaxes. Either I have been taken in by vast hoaxes, or they have. It doesn't matter which one it is. That situation is extremely dangerous and demoralizing, and I see no way to fix it, even if I put forth enormous effort into barely defeating it.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    I have a couple thoughts on the matter that you might find interesting. One area that I think is productive, and not particularly exhausting, is moving away from binary thinking. For example, I am confident that people on both sides of the isle have been taken in by vast hoaxes. As an independent, I am sure I have as well. More understanding and less binary thinking is a path forward, with the added benefit that it can be enjoyable and reassuring. There was an interesting EconTalk episode[1] with Monica Guzman who works to reduce political polarization[2]. She told a story about how following the election of the Orange Man, they took a bus full of Democrats from Seattle to one of the most republican cities in Oregon to talk and learn about their opinions. They learned that the most important considerations for them were issues that they were simply unaware of, and that they actually had a lot of common ground. Another area I am pretty exited about is the increased interest in rank choice voting. I think this has a lot of potential to improve political outcomes in this country. Last but not least, I think it is helpful to cultivate more local and less federal interest. If my focus is on injustices or policies happening in some distant state, not only do I have low impact, I am also neglecting problems in my own back yard where I have a lot more power to help! https://www.econtalk.org/monica-guzman-on-curiosity-and-conversation-in-contentious-times/ https://www.econtalk.org/monica-guzman-on-curiosity-and-conv... https://braverangels.org/our-story/#problem https://braverangels.org/our-story/#problem "Politics is tough. It always has been. American politics is competitive, thrilling, frustrating – and infuriating. The stakes are high. Issues are important. Outcomes matter. This is why we care, and should care, about our politics. But do our politics have to be demonizing? Does it have to bring out the worst in us? Do our politics have to destroy the goodwill of our society? Is the dehumanizing of our fellow Americans something we should accept?"
prottog 4y ago
Your outlook on life is your responsibility alone, and I'm not speaking from any position of authority. But I do want to point out a few things: > Our outlook for the future has never been worse. Similarly to the other commenter, my parents' generation ate tree bark to survive famines, and their parents' generation lived through people wanting to exterminate them wholesale. Whatever doom and gloom lies ahead of us is more likely than not easier than this. > When billionaires can piss away 44 billion dollars and cause all sorts of chaos just because they feel like it The combined net worth of all billionaires in this country is around $4T. If you confiscated all of their wealth (even ignoring the fact that you cannot liquidate all of it at once and hope to get even half of that amount), it would pay for less than eight month's worth of Federal spending alone, let alone state and local government spending. It would pay for three, maybe four years of Social Security, or five years of Medicare. Elon being worth $150B or whatever (which again, is not real) is really not that much money in the national scheme, and he doesn't have any power over your life or the lives of your descendants. > people in my generation are forced to work two jobs just to barely make a living wage I live in an area where my barber, with no college education or wealthy relatives to inherit from, owns ten acres of land and is saving to build a house on it while living in a mobile home with his wife and children. The catch, of course, is that it's an area of the country that is anathema to college-educated millennial/gen-Z types, with more Walmarts than Whole Foods and state politics that they don't dare affiliate themselves with. My point being, there's opportunities for a good life out there if you broaden your horizons.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  For context, US federal, state, and local tax revenue is around 8.3 Trillion. Spending is higher. This is about $25,000 of tax per person, or $32,000 if you only count adults.

stcroixx 4y ago

Trying to be helpful as someone who has seen a lot of presidents come and go. You can make the decision to not let these external events out of your control affect you so much. Politicians have some differences at the surface, but they are far more minor than portrayed. For a long time Trump was a democrat and the Clintons went to his wedding. The moneyed class stick together and look out for themselves. Don't look to politicians or leaders for the change you want - it's more effective at a personal level and you have control. My Dad worked 2 jobs when I was growing up in the 80's so we could live in a tiny house. His parents lived through the depression. All had a more positive personal outlook than the average today. You only get this one trip.

liveoneggs 4y ago

All of that stuff is just what you were told. Twitter doesn't matter, as corrupt as Trump he was - he was less evil than G. W. Bush! Seeing that political + moneyed corruption and feeling the dread of your victimization is just a part of getting older. Buckle up; it only gets worse.

landemva 4y ago

> when orange guy took the chair If politics affect you so deeply, I am wondering what you have done to get involved in politics. Do you go to county Democrat monthly meeting? Did you join a campaign as a volunteer and make phone calls for a candidate?

jfengel 4y ago
Fighting it politically would not resolve the fact that almost half of the country wanted him to be in that chair. Even if he has lost that election -- and would have, had the rules not specifically favored the people who support him -- they would still be out there, making choices that are, as far as I can tell, objectively both absurd and hateful. If one has to work that hard just to keep utter stupidity at bay, what hope is there of actually making anything better? Whether they manage to be 51% of the vote or 49% of the vote, it's still an enormous drain on optimism. Optimism should be for solving hard problems, not trivial ones, like "let's not elect conspiracy theorists". When we can't even solve the trivial problems reliably, what point is there in thinking about ones that would actually be satisfying? That is what those monthly county meetings should be about. There are genuine challenges over genuine differences of opinion between parties about how to best resolve the issues. Instead, you go to that meeting demoralized about the question of getting around the fact that half the country thinks that you voted for a child abuser and have been taken in by numerous vast hoaxes. Either I have been taken in by vast hoaxes, or they have. It doesn't matter which one it is. That situation is extremely dangerous and demoralizing, and I see no way to fix it, even if I put forth enormous effort into barely defeating it.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  I have a couple thoughts on the matter that you might find interesting. One area that I think is productive, and not particularly exhausting, is moving away from binary thinking. For example, I am confident that people on both sides of the isle have been taken in by vast hoaxes. As an independent, I am sure I have as well. More understanding and less binary thinking is a path forward, with the added benefit that it can be enjoyable and reassuring. There was an interesting EconTalk episode[1] with Monica Guzman who works to reduce political polarization[2]. She told a story about how following the election of the Orange Man, they took a bus full of Democrats from Seattle to one of the most republican cities in Oregon to talk and learn about their opinions. They learned that the most important considerations for them were issues that they were simply unaware of, and that they actually had a lot of common ground. Another area I am pretty exited about is the increased interest in rank choice voting. I think this has a lot of potential to improve political outcomes in this country. Last but not least, I think it is helpful to cultivate more local and less federal interest. If my focus is on injustices or policies happening in some distant state, not only do I have low impact, I am also neglecting problems in my own back yard where I have a lot more power to help! https://www.econtalk.org/monica-guzman-on-curiosity-and-conversation-in-contentious-times/ https://www.econtalk.org/monica-guzman-on-curiosity-and-conv... https://braverangels.org/our-story/#problem https://braverangels.org/our-story/#problem "Politics is tough. It always has been. American politics is competitive, thrilling, frustrating – and infuriating. The stakes are high. Issues are important. Outcomes matter. This is why we care, and should care, about our politics. But do our politics have to be demonizing? Does it have to bring out the worst in us? Do our politics have to destroy the goodwill of our society? Is the dehumanizing of our fellow Americans something we should accept?"

prottog 4y ago

Your outlook on life is your responsibility alone, and I'm not speaking from any position of authority. But I do want to point out a few things: > Our outlook for the future has never been worse. Similarly to the other commenter, my parents' generation ate tree bark to survive famines, and their parents' generation lived through people wanting to exterminate them wholesale. Whatever doom and gloom lies ahead of us is more likely than not easier than this. > When billionaires can piss away 44 billion dollars and cause all sorts of chaos just because they feel like it The combined net worth of all billionaires in this country is around $4T. If you confiscated all of their wealth (even ignoring the fact that you cannot liquidate all of it at once and hope to get even half of that amount), it would pay for less than eight month's worth of Federal spending alone, let alone state and local government spending. It would pay for three, maybe four years of Social Security, or five years of Medicare. Elon being worth $150B or whatever (which again, is not real) is really not that much money in the national scheme, and he doesn't have any power over your life or the lives of your descendants. > people in my generation are forced to work two jobs just to barely make a living wage I live in an area where my barber, with no college education or wealthy relatives to inherit from, owns ten acres of land and is saving to build a house on it while living in a mobile home with his wife and children. The catch, of course, is that it's an area of the country that is anathema to college-educated millennial/gen-Z types, with more Walmarts than Whole Foods and state politics that they don't dare affiliate themselves with. My point being, there's opportunities for a good life out there if you broaden your horizons.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
For context, US federal, state, and local tax revenue is around 8.3 Trillion. Spending is higher. This is about $25,000 of tax per person, or $32,000 if you only count adults.