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> they're sitting there in Tokyo... I wonder if that had been the case if the wind had blown in another direction at the time, towards Tokyo, instead of mostly

> they're sitting there in Tokyo... I wonder if that had been the case if the wind had blown in another direction at the time, towards Tokyo, instead of mostly the open sea. I also think it's difficult to come to conclusions in seeing this in an isolated way. Everything was in chaos and much destroyed because of the tsunami, surely that delayed communications, and assessment of the 'real' situation? Sometimes when I read about the history of all that, and all the talking about, I get the feeling like the commentariat views this like a clean room laboratory exercise. Like in a model, this happened, what to do now? Chaotic reality doesn't work like that.

kqr 4y ago
The reason I brought that specific thing up is that it's not an isolated thing. It happens over and over in complex situations when the system is top-heavy in its steering. In any complex situation, you need to have people on the ground with the trust and authority and safety to do what they think is best, precisely because of the reasons you mention with the chaos and delayed communications, and so on.
panick21_ 4y ago
We would have great scientific data by now how the deadly nuclear cloud isn't actually that deadly. But it would have caused panic and that wouldn't have been good.
- LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
  I'm not so sure about that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ronald_Reagan#2011_deployment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ronald_Reagan#2011_deploym... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Essex_(LHD-2)#2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Essex_(LHD-2)#2011 Some searching for 'Fukushima US-NAVY cancer' will bring up endless stuff from all sorts of sites. The thing is, regardless of the sites reputations, there is a signal that those ships took a large dose, because some of their sailors claim their sudden leukemia was caused by that. I don't know. Can one call that psychosomatic? Did they sniff too much JP-7 instead? IMO that signal is too strong to be disregarded.

kqr 4y ago

The reason I brought that specific thing up is that it's not an isolated thing. It happens over and over in complex situations when the system is top-heavy in its steering. In any complex situation, you need to have people on the ground with the trust and authority and safety to do what they think is best, precisely because of the reasons you mention with the chaos and delayed communications, and so on.

panick21_ 4y ago

We would have great scientific data by now how the deadly nuclear cloud isn't actually that deadly. But it would have caused panic and that wouldn't have been good.

LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
I'm not so sure about that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ronald_Reagan#2011_deployment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ronald_Reagan#2011_deploym... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Essex_(LHD-2)#2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Essex_(LHD-2)#2011 Some searching for 'Fukushima US-NAVY cancer' will bring up endless stuff from all sorts of sites. The thing is, regardless of the sites reputations, there is a signal that those ships took a large dose, because some of their sailors claim their sudden leukemia was caused by that. I don't know. Can one call that psychosomatic? Did they sniff too much JP-7 instead? IMO that signal is too strong to be disregarded.