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For what it's worth, some things in my lifetime have seemed to get much better, and cars and refrigerators happen to be in that class. Many other things seem t

For what it's worth, some things in my lifetime have seemed to get much better, and cars and refrigerators happen to be in that class. Many other things seem to have gotten worse though, like clothes and linens. I suspect there's some pattern to those things that have improved and those that have declined, and everything in between, but I couldn't explain it.

mbfg 4y ago
watching many youtube mechanic channels, i get the sense that they seem to think that 2000 era cars were better than today's car. The common missive is that they now have really cheap parts, and the cars are over controlled by computer systems making them brittle and expensive to repair.
- mattferderer 4y ago
  >cars are over controlled by computer systems making them brittle and expensive to repair I've heard this many times while at auto body shops. It seems that it's not the electronic parts cost that is expensive but you have to dissemble much of the car to replace the parts.
- chinabot 4y ago
  and impossible to replace with the same part from a scrapped car due to the module being paired to the specific car and the reuirement for the dealer to install it. All car parts should become open source 10 years after the last one was produced to prevent them just getting scrapped.
- nikau 4y ago
  2000 era cars were the sweet spot of good enough power and efficiency vs complexity. Current cars get more power and fuel efficiency, but its at the cost of complexity like high pressure direct injection, stop/start, variable length intakes, cam phasers, etc. Its nothing to do with computer control making them brittle, more that there's just so many extra components to fail that just didn't exist on older cars and the techs need training on how they operate and troubleshoot.
BlueTemplar 4y ago
Regulations. Also probably how cars and refrigerators need energy to work ? The downside is that cars especially have not gotten cheaper. (This is starting to change, sadly by necessity rather than choice, ~ton personal vehicles will soon be the thing of the past even in rich countries.)
- oblio 4y ago
  > soon personal vehicles will soon be the thing of the past even in rich countries. https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/global-car-sales-by-key-markets-2005-2020 https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/global-car-sa...
  - BlueTemplar 4y ago
    That's not what I said, and I don't know what your argument is ?
H1Supreme 4y ago
I have some anecdotal evidence to the contrary on refrigerators. I want a fridge to do one thing. Keep food cold. No ice maker, no water, no godforsaken app, or camera on the inside. Make a robust, reliable cooling system that's built to last. That's the only thing I want to pay for.

mbfg 4y ago

watching many youtube mechanic channels, i get the sense that they seem to think that 2000 era cars were better than today's car. The common missive is that they now have really cheap parts, and the cars are over controlled by computer systems making them brittle and expensive to repair.

mattferderer 4y ago
>cars are over controlled by computer systems making them brittle and expensive to repair I've heard this many times while at auto body shops. It seems that it's not the electronic parts cost that is expensive but you have to dissemble much of the car to replace the parts.
chinabot 4y ago
and impossible to replace with the same part from a scrapped car due to the module being paired to the specific car and the reuirement for the dealer to install it. All car parts should become open source 10 years after the last one was produced to prevent them just getting scrapped.
nikau 4y ago
2000 era cars were the sweet spot of good enough power and efficiency vs complexity. Current cars get more power and fuel efficiency, but its at the cost of complexity like high pressure direct injection, stop/start, variable length intakes, cam phasers, etc. Its nothing to do with computer control making them brittle, more that there's just so many extra components to fail that just didn't exist on older cars and the techs need training on how they operate and troubleshoot.

BlueTemplar 4y ago

Regulations. Also probably how cars and refrigerators need energy to work ? The downside is that cars especially have not gotten cheaper. (This is starting to change, sadly by necessity rather than choice, ~ton personal vehicles will soon be the thing of the past even in rich countries.)

oblio 4y ago
> soon personal vehicles will soon be the thing of the past even in rich countries. https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/global-car-sales-by-key-markets-2005-2020 https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/global-car-sa...
- BlueTemplar 4y ago
  That's not what I said, and I don't know what your argument is ?

H1Supreme 4y ago

I have some anecdotal evidence to the contrary on refrigerators. I want a fridge to do one thing. Keep food cold. No ice maker, no water, no godforsaken app, or camera on the inside. Make a robust, reliable cooling system that's built to last. That's the only thing I want to pay for.