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Ah, the mythical "super-rich" who could fund all of our solutions, if only we could prise their money out of their clutching hands! It's funny how they always

Ah, the mythical "super-rich" who could fund all of our solutions, if only we could prise their money out of their clutching hands! It's funny how they always exist, even in countries like the UK and France which in reality have taxed them out of existence, and payscales are absurdly compressed compared to the US. Careful what you wish for, you are someone else's "super rich".

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>the UK and France which in reality have taxed them out of existence You're making it sound like billionaires are an endangered species there. :) Last time I checked there's more than enough billionaires living in the UK and France[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Arnault https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Arnault
- 543g43g43 4y ago
  That's the very definition of cherry picking. Try this dataset instead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_billionaires https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of...
  - nobodyandproud 4y ago
    According to the third list (Hurun), the UK is keeping pace with the US.
    - 543g43g43 4y ago
      Shame Hurun doesn't publish its source data, or a list of those people.
      - nobodyandproud 4y ago
        Which is an irrelevant objection, unless the list is inaccurate. Hurun reports are widely cited with few (if any) questions on its accuracy. In fact, it's an inaccurate objection proven by 1 minute of research: https://www.hurun.net/en-US/Rank/HsRankDetails?pagetype=global https://www.hurun.net/en-US/Rank/HsRankDetails?pagetype=glob...
        543g43g43 4y ago
        >Hurun reports are widely cited with few (if any) questions on its accuracy. I could make the same statements about Forbes and Knight Frank, so that doesn't help explain the 3x disparity between Hunan's figures and the rest. >it's an inaccurate objection proven by 1 minute of research: I too found that list of the globe's billionaires. As we are comparing the rates of billionaires in the US, UK, and France, that page doesn't help.
        nobodyandproud 4y ago
        > Shame Hurun doesn't publish its source data, or a list of those people > I too found that list of the globe's billionaires. As we are comparing the rates of billionaires in the US, UK, and France, that page doesn't help. The raw data is there to help you derive and check Hurun’s claim. Perhaps you mean you want an easy way to sort and aggregate the information in order to dispute this. However, the burden is on you to do this as you’re the one questioning the accuracy of the widely cited Hurun list. At this point it’s hard to take your objection seriously; nor view it as anything more than cherry picking with an underlying agenda.
        543g43g43 4y ago
        > you mean you want an easy way to sort and aggregate the information in order to dispute this. For a start, I need the list to include the country of origin of each person. >he burden is on you to do this as you’re the one questioning the accuracy of the widely cited Hurun list. I've pointed out that Hurun don't make public their list of billionaires per country, unlike the other providers of that data. As no-one yet has been able to show otherwise, my point stands.
- nobodyandproud 4y ago
  Not the only source but https://www.hurun.net/en-US/Rank/HsRankDetails?pagetype=global https://www.hurun.net/en-US/Rank/HsRankDetails?pagetype=glob... for a full list of billionaires (according to Hurun).
- Aunche 4y ago
  That's the problem. The wealth of billionaires isn't tied to any particular country, so they always have the means to move their wealth to a tax haven. Calls to tax the rich always end up falling to the upper-middle/lower-upper classes (e.g. FAANG engineers who read HN).
reallydontask 4y ago
While it's true that wealth is relative, this is so disingenuous that I can only presume that this comment is not made in good faith. FWIW, I think multinational corporations that engage in all manner of legal tax avoidance are probably more of a problem than individual billionaires.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>the UK and France which in reality have taxed them out of existence You're making it sound like billionaires are an endangered species there. :) Last time I checked there's more than enough billionaires living in the UK and France[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Arnault https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Arnault

543g43g43 4y ago
That's the very definition of cherry picking. Try this dataset instead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_billionaires https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of...
- nobodyandproud 4y ago
  According to the third list (Hurun), the UK is keeping pace with the US.
  - 543g43g43 4y ago
    Shame Hurun doesn't publish its source data, or a list of those people.
    - nobodyandproud 4y ago
      Which is an irrelevant objection, unless the list is inaccurate. Hurun reports are widely cited with few (if any) questions on its accuracy. In fact, it's an inaccurate objection proven by 1 minute of research: https://www.hurun.net/en-US/Rank/HsRankDetails?pagetype=global https://www.hurun.net/en-US/Rank/HsRankDetails?pagetype=glob...
      - 543g43g43 4y ago
        >Hurun reports are widely cited with few (if any) questions on its accuracy. I could make the same statements about Forbes and Knight Frank, so that doesn't help explain the 3x disparity between Hunan's figures and the rest. >it's an inaccurate objection proven by 1 minute of research: I too found that list of the globe's billionaires. As we are comparing the rates of billionaires in the US, UK, and France, that page doesn't help.
        nobodyandproud 4y ago
        > Shame Hurun doesn't publish its source data, or a list of those people > I too found that list of the globe's billionaires. As we are comparing the rates of billionaires in the US, UK, and France, that page doesn't help. The raw data is there to help you derive and check Hurun’s claim. Perhaps you mean you want an easy way to sort and aggregate the information in order to dispute this. However, the burden is on you to do this as you’re the one questioning the accuracy of the widely cited Hurun list. At this point it’s hard to take your objection seriously; nor view it as anything more than cherry picking with an underlying agenda.
        543g43g43 4y ago
        > you mean you want an easy way to sort and aggregate the information in order to dispute this. For a start, I need the list to include the country of origin of each person. >he burden is on you to do this as you’re the one questioning the accuracy of the widely cited Hurun list. I've pointed out that Hurun don't make public their list of billionaires per country, unlike the other providers of that data. As no-one yet has been able to show otherwise, my point stands.
nobodyandproud 4y ago
Not the only source but https://www.hurun.net/en-US/Rank/HsRankDetails?pagetype=global https://www.hurun.net/en-US/Rank/HsRankDetails?pagetype=glob... for a full list of billionaires (according to Hurun).
Aunche 4y ago
That's the problem. The wealth of billionaires isn't tied to any particular country, so they always have the means to move their wealth to a tax haven. Calls to tax the rich always end up falling to the upper-middle/lower-upper classes (e.g. FAANG engineers who read HN).

reallydontask 4y ago

While it's true that wealth is relative, this is so disingenuous that I can only presume that this comment is not made in good faith. FWIW, I think multinational corporations that engage in all manner of legal tax avoidance are probably more of a problem than individual billionaires.