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I grew up on a street named after him, but I had no idea who he was until now. Fascinating.
by p1esk 4y ago
I grew up on a street named after him, but I had no idea who he was until now. Fascinating.
- psychoslave 4y agoI’m rather surprised he might not be not better known here. Kropotkin is a major figure of anarchism that you’ll found revered even in some Russel's books. Surely hackernews readership red all Russel works — both color, didn’t it? Don’t you search for a Wikipedia biography each time you cross an antonomastic street, creating it if needed?
- TaylorAlexander 4y agoI’m very familiar with Kropotkin, but not Russel.
- DocTomoe 4y agoOh boy, do you have an opportunity here. I suggest starting with "Understanding History and Other Essays".
- TaylorAlexander 4y agoOhhhh Bertrand Russell... Yeah he is great. I have just never heard anyone refer to him without including his first name.
- lynx23 4y ago[flagged]
- mad_tortoise 4y agoIf you consider the ideological philosophy of anarchy as 'leftism terror', then you only serve to out yourself as having no idea of the tenets of anarchism itself. He is also not saying HN readers should lean that way, but having an intellectual and enlightened view on life, often means having read up on multiple ideologies, theories or philosophies. Which if the HN reader base would generally consider themselves well read, then it is quite possible many would know about one of the most famous political and philosophical minds in history, Petr Kropotkin.
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago> one of the most famous political and philosophical minds in history, Petr Kropotkin. That's rather a stretch. What's your threshold for "most famous"? Top ten? Top one hundred? Top thousand? Top ten thousand? If it's top ten, no way. If it's top ten thousand, yes, he's definitely in. Top thousand? Probably in. Top hundred? Probably out. But if your definition of "most famous" is "top thousand", I suspect that your threshold is in a different place than most peoples'...
- mad_tortoise 4y agoI would ultimately say he is top one hundred (probably top 20 for me), but that's a personal opinion. If we look at the impact his ideas, beliefs and teachings had on the first half of the 20th century then he was a giant. Anarchism, and specifically how he taught it grabbed hold of much of the disparate political movements that occurred in that part of time. Anarchist movement's and mutual aid, take a grip in many parts of the third world even today. Perhaps that's because I have taken note of these movements that I see him as one of the most famous, perhaps you see it differently which is fair. I see him as a contemporary to arguably the most famous political mind of all time, Karl Marx, and was regarded along similar lines for his impact. Sure there are a range of people on the left and right of political ideological thought who could be considered famous, but not many who have produced what he has.
- avodonosov 4y agoIn some countries almost every street is named after a person, so it would be too much trouble to research every street name. We have a square named after indian city of Bangalore - the Bangalore square. I was sure for a long time that's just another (jewish?) surname. Even though I knew that city, in context of street names I simply assume surnames, it didn't occur to me to think anything else.
- cuteboy19 4y agoWe had a Minsk Square in Bangalore too. They are sister cities
- avodonosov 4y agoYes, I learned that at some point. You say "had" - I hope it's not renamed / destroyed?
- ngc248 4y agoIts still there ...
- shmerl 4y agoNestor Makhno considered himself a student of Kropotkin.
- culi 4y agoIf anyone's unaware: famous Ukrainian anti-anti-semitist/anarchist revolutionary who lead a peasant revolt that supported farmer communes in much of Ukraine before getting crushed by both the White and Red Army pro-russian tankies hate him
- 082349872349872 4y agofwiw, even Lyube has a song memorialising Makhno, Батька Махно, and I don't know if they're considered tankies, but they're definitely tankie-adjacent (they sang at the pro-"Z" concert at the start of the invasion, ffs). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRMfa6MSAaY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRMfa6MSAaY
- shmerl 4y agoI suppose they aren't too bright then.
- pessimizer 4y agoPro-Soviet, not "pro-Russian."
- culi 4y agoI was specifically referring to the vein of tankies that are pro-Russia in the ongoing invasion of Ukraine (yes they exist)
- aebtebeten 4y agoThere may be less distance than we think. I'm not sure what's going on in https://youtu.be/LffLqUwlY2Y?t=200 https://youtu.be/LffLqUwlY2Y?t=200 , but would not be surprised if it's something to do with rehabilitating Stalin (of the eponymous tanks)?