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You're definitely right, but this conversation gets utterly muddled by the approaches that the right uses. Just click into the home page of that site, and see h

You're definitely right, but this conversation gets utterly muddled by the approaches that the right uses. Just click into the home page of that site, and see how every single article is something shitting "wokeness" or diversity. This is the texture of the debate right now in the US. The far right have colonized all theae reasonable positions as sort of gateways into more extreme ideology. What you say is reasonable and I utterly agree, however just know that this conversation has been weaponized by the right.

chrismcb 4y ago
What does it mean to "weaponize a conversation?" That seems like a way to try and ignore a situation
barry-cotter 4y ago
> The far right have colonized all theae reasonable positions as sort of gateways into more extreme ideology. Gee, what a pity there’s no opposition of note to these positions on the left. Surely there would be many leftists open to loudly condemning these positions and mocking those who hold them mercilessly, publicly.
rayiner 4y ago
> What you say is reasonable and I utterly agree, however just know that this conversation has been weaponized by the right. That’s a roundabout way of saying “my political opponents are right about this but I’m going to refuse to acknowledge that because I disagree with them about other stuff.” Also, the opposition to “wokeness” is not “far right.” City Journal is an urban conservative magazine, a group that skews moderate. Many of the writers, like Nomani, were Democrats back when that mainly meant you favored higher taxes and more social services. Opposition to “wokeness” helped Glenn Youngkin win Virginia, a state that voted for Biden by 10 points, and helped DeSantis win a 20 point majority in a state Obama won twice. In states like Florida and Virginia, which turned blue thanks to immigrants under Bill Clinton’s brand of economic liberalism and social conservatism, opposition to “wokeness” simply reflects the democratic party’s shift towards a more socially liberal platform. As applied to education, “woke” ideas are far left, attacking ideas like color blindness and race neutrality that are widely held by the center, and most minorities themselves.
RestlessMind 4y ago
> but this conversation gets utterly muddled by the approaches that the right uses. Sure, and a lot of conversations about racism or inequality are muddled by the approaches used by the far left. Should we stop taking reasonable positions just because far right (or far left) happens to agree and benefit from those?

chrismcb 4y ago

What does it mean to "weaponize a conversation?" That seems like a way to try and ignore a situation

barry-cotter 4y ago

> The far right have colonized all theae reasonable positions as sort of gateways into more extreme ideology. Gee, what a pity there’s no opposition of note to these positions on the left. Surely there would be many leftists open to loudly condemning these positions and mocking those who hold them mercilessly, publicly.

rayiner 4y ago

> What you say is reasonable and I utterly agree, however just know that this conversation has been weaponized by the right. That’s a roundabout way of saying “my political opponents are right about this but I’m going to refuse to acknowledge that because I disagree with them about other stuff.” Also, the opposition to “wokeness” is not “far right.” City Journal is an urban conservative magazine, a group that skews moderate. Many of the writers, like Nomani, were Democrats back when that mainly meant you favored higher taxes and more social services. Opposition to “wokeness” helped Glenn Youngkin win Virginia, a state that voted for Biden by 10 points, and helped DeSantis win a 20 point majority in a state Obama won twice. In states like Florida and Virginia, which turned blue thanks to immigrants under Bill Clinton’s brand of economic liberalism and social conservatism, opposition to “wokeness” simply reflects the democratic party’s shift towards a more socially liberal platform. As applied to education, “woke” ideas are far left, attacking ideas like color blindness and race neutrality that are widely held by the center, and most minorities themselves.

RestlessMind 4y ago

> but this conversation gets utterly muddled by the approaches that the right uses. Sure, and a lot of conversations about racism or inequality are muddled by the approaches used by the far left. Should we stop taking reasonable positions just because far right (or far left) happens to agree and benefit from those?