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After the Las Vegas massacre, a lot of hotels will enter even if house keeping is always declined. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-hotels-revis

After the Las Vegas massacre, a lot of hotels will enter even if house keeping is always declined. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-hotels-revise-room-security-measures/#app https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-hotels-revis...

lotsofpulp 4y ago
Especially since the hotel and the hotel’s insurers ended up paying $800M: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-settlement-mgm-settles-las-vegas-shooting-case-for-735-million-to-800-million/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-settlement-m... > Jim Frantz, whose San Diego-based law firm represents another 199 victims including Romo, said Thursday's settlement is a good first step. Now MGM must strengthen the security protocol at all their facilities, he said. >"I would assume a responsible business, after going through something like this, would institute the highest level of security," Frantz said, adding that the company should add metal detectors and Navy SEAL-type security guards. "As long as we have automatic weapons, we've got to be on high alert with all our security."
- josefx 4y ago
  What the hell, how would they have resolved this if he wasn't living at the hotel? Add mandatory checks to every apartment in the area?
  - hinata08 4y ago
    Guns don't kill people, hotel rooms kill people
  - IncRnd 4y ago
    It's not exactly for that reason. The insurance companies don't want to be liable for a future similar incident, so they are pushing future liability onto hotels that don't do a million things to guard against the last incident from recurring. Then, the hotels put these checks in place, so the insurers won't push liablity costs onto them. I guess it could be called a decrepit spiral of associative risk management.
- kortilla 4y ago
  I wonder if the lawyer is really that stupid or just puts on a good act to help sell this nonsense. Requiring security at the hotel is as dumb as requiring security at the high rise condos just down the street (they don’t and nobody would buy them if they did).
  - saiya-jin 4y ago
    Definitely a sales pitch from the clueless tone, aiming outright at most extreme measures. End game would be optic nerve chip to make sure everybody is in line and not being threat... few big attacks and many people would even welcome it
    - grishka 4y ago
      There was a Black Mirror episode about a technology just like that.
- grishka 4y ago
  Don't you just love how our society "fights" terrorism? Someone used something to kill someone, so let's ruin that thing for everyone, forever! Also see: air travel. I was a kid in the 90s and so I didn't fly before 9/11, but people say it was a much more enjoyable experience.
  - pjc50 4y ago
    There's a world of difference between "you could assemble by some rube goldberg mechanism a bomb out of 100ml liquid containers" and actual firearms designed for easy long range killing.
    - grishka 4y ago
      As a sibling comment said, what if that shooter rented an apartment instead?
      - thfuran 4y ago
        I heard they took a bus once.
        grishka 4y ago
        They also brushed their teeth in the morning.
        thfuran 4y ago
        The fluorides industry really should take responsibility for this.
  - IncRnd 4y ago
    Pre 9/11 to now for air travel is the difference between day and night. It's not even close. This pretend, fake security we have today imposes so many burdens and costs on people who wish to travel. The least suspicious would easily think that the changes were meant to federalize a big portion of many people's lives.
- ls15 4y ago
  > Muller says new hotel security measures are being developed, including new luggage scanners, which – unlike those at the airport, which may require an officer to open a customer's bag -- uses new technology to detect what's inside without the person even knowing it. Great if you like paranoia. I guess I am not going to Vegas.
- madengr 4y ago
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- robertlagrant 4y ago
  > As long as we have automatic weapons But you don't, really. They're all antiques.
  - exhilaration 4y ago
    While you are technically correct, NEARLY automatic weapons (binary triggers) are legal in most states, here's a random video for the curious: https://youtu.be/rOkAZkk__5g https://youtu.be/rOkAZkk__5g And fully automatic (but illegal) weapons are easily available in the form of Glock auto sears https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkp8p8/glock-switches-auto-sears https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkp8p8/glock-switches-auto-s... my buddy in Baltimore heard on of these being shot in his Baltimore neighborhood a few weeks back.
    - robertlagrant 4y ago
      I think this is a stretch. Binary triggers are tricky to use, and aren't nearly automatic. They're slightly more automatic than semi-automatic, but much, much less usable. In terms of illegal weapons, yes. There are illegal fully automatic weapons in the US without taking your example into account. I'm talking about what's legal.
      - dahart 4y ago
        This sub-thread started on the Vegas massacre, where the shooter used a bump stock. It was legal at the time and pretty damn close to automatic.
        robertlagrant 4y ago
        That's fair, although I still don't think it's that close. An actually automatic weapon is the sort of thing militaries use, and witout minimising the horror that a bump stock can cause, I think they do far more. Back to my original point, it's still wrong to say this will happen while we have automatic weapons. Why perpetuate a lie?

lotsofpulp 4y ago

Especially since the hotel and the hotel’s insurers ended up paying $800M: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-settlement-mgm-settles-las-vegas-shooting-case-for-735-million-to-800-million/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-settlement-m... > Jim Frantz, whose San Diego-based law firm represents another 199 victims including Romo, said Thursday's settlement is a good first step. Now MGM must strengthen the security protocol at all their facilities, he said. >"I would assume a responsible business, after going through something like this, would institute the highest level of security," Frantz said, adding that the company should add metal detectors and Navy SEAL-type security guards. "As long as we have automatic weapons, we've got to be on high alert with all our security."

josefx 4y ago
What the hell, how would they have resolved this if he wasn't living at the hotel? Add mandatory checks to every apartment in the area?
- hinata08 4y ago
  Guns don't kill people, hotel rooms kill people
- IncRnd 4y ago
  It's not exactly for that reason. The insurance companies don't want to be liable for a future similar incident, so they are pushing future liability onto hotels that don't do a million things to guard against the last incident from recurring. Then, the hotels put these checks in place, so the insurers won't push liablity costs onto them. I guess it could be called a decrepit spiral of associative risk management.
kortilla 4y ago
I wonder if the lawyer is really that stupid or just puts on a good act to help sell this nonsense. Requiring security at the hotel is as dumb as requiring security at the high rise condos just down the street (they don’t and nobody would buy them if they did).
- saiya-jin 4y ago
  Definitely a sales pitch from the clueless tone, aiming outright at most extreme measures. End game would be optic nerve chip to make sure everybody is in line and not being threat... few big attacks and many people would even welcome it
  - grishka 4y ago
    There was a Black Mirror episode about a technology just like that.
grishka 4y ago
Don't you just love how our society "fights" terrorism? Someone used something to kill someone, so let's ruin that thing for everyone, forever! Also see: air travel. I was a kid in the 90s and so I didn't fly before 9/11, but people say it was a much more enjoyable experience.
- pjc50 4y ago
  There's a world of difference between "you could assemble by some rube goldberg mechanism a bomb out of 100ml liquid containers" and actual firearms designed for easy long range killing.
  - grishka 4y ago
    As a sibling comment said, what if that shooter rented an apartment instead?
    - thfuran 4y ago
      I heard they took a bus once.
      - grishka 4y ago
        They also brushed their teeth in the morning.
        thfuran 4y ago
        The fluorides industry really should take responsibility for this.
- IncRnd 4y ago
  Pre 9/11 to now for air travel is the difference between day and night. It's not even close. This pretend, fake security we have today imposes so many burdens and costs on people who wish to travel. The least suspicious would easily think that the changes were meant to federalize a big portion of many people's lives.
ls15 4y ago
> Muller says new hotel security measures are being developed, including new luggage scanners, which – unlike those at the airport, which may require an officer to open a customer's bag -- uses new technology to detect what's inside without the person even knowing it. Great if you like paranoia. I guess I am not going to Vegas.
madengr 4y ago
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robertlagrant 4y ago
> As long as we have automatic weapons But you don't, really. They're all antiques.
- exhilaration 4y ago
  While you are technically correct, NEARLY automatic weapons (binary triggers) are legal in most states, here's a random video for the curious: https://youtu.be/rOkAZkk__5g https://youtu.be/rOkAZkk__5g And fully automatic (but illegal) weapons are easily available in the form of Glock auto sears https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkp8p8/glock-switches-auto-sears https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkp8p8/glock-switches-auto-s... my buddy in Baltimore heard on of these being shot in his Baltimore neighborhood a few weeks back.
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    I think this is a stretch. Binary triggers are tricky to use, and aren't nearly automatic. They're slightly more automatic than semi-automatic, but much, much less usable. In terms of illegal weapons, yes. There are illegal fully automatic weapons in the US without taking your example into account. I'm talking about what's legal.
    - dahart 4y ago
      This sub-thread started on the Vegas massacre, where the shooter used a bump stock. It was legal at the time and pretty damn close to automatic.
      - robertlagrant 4y ago
        That's fair, although I still don't think it's that close. An actually automatic weapon is the sort of thing militaries use, and witout minimising the horror that a bump stock can cause, I think they do far more. Back to my original point, it's still wrong to say this will happen while we have automatic weapons. Why perpetuate a lie?