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The total deaths caused by Tesla AP/FSD is 1900% higher than the self-driving of every other automaker in the world combined. The total number of accidents cau

The total deaths caused by Tesla AP/FSD is 1900% higher than the self-driving of every other automaker in the world combined. The total number of accidents caused by Tesla AP/FSD is 2.5x higher than the company with the next worst self-driving system, and is more than 60x higher than Toyota's self-driving systems. Anecdotally speaking, on LA freeways self-driving Teslas are easy to spot: they drive like drunk teenagers getting behind the wheel the first time. My coworker has a Tesla and had so many disengagements on his daily commute (3+ each way) that he no longer uses the system. Normalizing the data (i.e., scaling it up), Teslas are only safer than drunk drivers.

zamadatix 4y ago
I’m not a fan of Tesla’s self driving claims either (I specifically avoided a Tesla completely when buying this year) but total deaths seems like the least relevant piece of information that could be used here. It needs some sort of adjustment like at least deaths/mile or similar before throwing up comparisons. As is one can’t tell if this is just like saying cities are ridiculously unsafe because most people die in them vs the rest of the entire world combined or if it’s actually how much worse it is.
- watwut 4y ago
  The additional aspect is that other manufacturers do not exaggerate capabilities that much - and consequently their customers are less likely to engage autopilot in situation where it is about to perform badly.
jjcon 4y ago
I imagine Tesla has more than 19x the self-driving miles of every other automaker in the world combined too.
- willio58 4y ago
  Yeah we need deaths per ownership or something.
  - gamblor956 4y ago
    Okay, here's a better comparison: Since 2015, Toyota has sold more than 18 million cars in the U.S., all of which have advanced cruise control functionality comparable to AP. Tesla has sold approximately 3 million vehicles worldwide since 2015. Teslas using AP are more than 60x as likely to get into an accident compared to Toyotas. That's just from the U.S. data. It gets even worse, for Tesla, if you take into account Toyota's worldwide sales. However way you crunch the numbers, Tesla's advanced driving systems are objectively worse than any other car maker's competing systems.
    - jjcon 4y ago
      > advanced cruise control functionality comparable to AP No… not at all comparable. Not even close. Advanced cruise control doesn’t navigate you anywhere it only assists a driver by keeping them centered in the lane or keeping pace with the car ahead of them. Telsa has this too, and it is not the same thing as autopilot. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

zamadatix 4y ago

I’m not a fan of Tesla’s self driving claims either (I specifically avoided a Tesla completely when buying this year) but total deaths seems like the least relevant piece of information that could be used here. It needs some sort of adjustment like at least deaths/mile or similar before throwing up comparisons. As is one can’t tell if this is just like saying cities are ridiculously unsafe because most people die in them vs the rest of the entire world combined or if it’s actually how much worse it is.

watwut 4y ago
The additional aspect is that other manufacturers do not exaggerate capabilities that much - and consequently their customers are less likely to engage autopilot in situation where it is about to perform badly.

jjcon 4y ago

I imagine Tesla has more than 19x the self-driving miles of every other automaker in the world combined too.

willio58 4y ago
Yeah we need deaths per ownership or something.
- gamblor956 4y ago
  Okay, here's a better comparison: Since 2015, Toyota has sold more than 18 million cars in the U.S., all of which have advanced cruise control functionality comparable to AP. Tesla has sold approximately 3 million vehicles worldwide since 2015. Teslas using AP are more than 60x as likely to get into an accident compared to Toyotas. That's just from the U.S. data. It gets even worse, for Tesla, if you take into account Toyota's worldwide sales. However way you crunch the numbers, Tesla's advanced driving systems are objectively worse than any other car maker's competing systems.
  - jjcon 4y ago
    > advanced cruise control functionality comparable to AP No… not at all comparable. Not even close. Advanced cruise control doesn’t navigate you anywhere it only assists a driver by keeping them centered in the lane or keeping pace with the car ahead of them. Telsa has this too, and it is not the same thing as autopilot. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.