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As a heavy Fujifilm user I can recommend Capture One. It’s much cheaper than Lightroom and there’s actually free version for Fuji’s raws. I’ve tried many other

by b212 4y ago

As a heavy Fujifilm user I can recommend Capture One. It’s much cheaper than Lightroom and there’s actually free version for Fuji’s raws. I’ve tried many other apps and they all seemed really weak compared to Lightroom. This one is still not as good UX-wise but actually often gives better output that Lightroom itself. Never heard of people using Photos for RAWs, would love that too.

rqtwteye 4y ago
" It’s much cheaper than Lightroom " That's not true for the full version.
- coder543 4y ago
  Capture One does sell perpetual licenses, so I guess it depends on how often you upgrade. Regardless, I tried Capture One and Lightroom Classic side by side, and I liked Capture One a lot better. Even though it is more expensive for people who intend to upgrade regularly, it is worth every penny in my opinion, but I also think a lot of people will be able to get along fine on the freeware license. Capture One handled importing new batches of photos surprisingly better than Lightroom Classic, which actually locked up for long periods of time, and all sorts of other operations seemed faster, as if the underlying engine was not ancient. I don't remember all the details as I did this comparison about a year ago. I did not consider Lightroom CC to be a valid option for various reasons. I also strongly appreciate being able to have a perpetual license, instead of being forced to subscribe for the rest of my life if I want to be able to continue accessing all of my RAWs with the adjustments I make, and not just the exported photos. The one thing I disliked about both Capture One and Lightroom at the time is that neither supported proper, end-to-end HDR workflows. I have HDR displays. The RAW files contain a stunning amount of dynamic range. Even the common iPhone captures HDR photos (and I don't just mean HDR processing that gets stuffed into an 8-bit JPEG, I mean an actual HDR photo in 10-bit HEIF with an HDR curve). I want to be able to edit and view my RAW photos with extended dynamic range, not be limited to viewing an 8-bit SDR image while editing, and not be limited to exporting crappy 8-bit JPEGs that are missing so much dynamic range (or gargantuan TIFF files that have limited use cases). Adobe has started adding some HDR stuff this year, and that's the only thing Adobe offers that Capture One lacks that I'm even remotely interested in. Incidentally, I'm also upset that Chrome removed JPEG XL, which promises to be a common format with proper HDR support.
  - astrange 4y ago
    > Even the common iPhone captures HDR photos That’s not an “even” thing; the iPhone has the /only/ end to end HDR still photo pipeline. Other cameras can do HDR video but not stills. The newest Sony and Canon cameras do support an HDR still colorspace, but not sure what image formats work with it.
    - coder543 4y ago
      My Sony A7IV also captures HEIFs instead of JPEGs (in addition to RAWs), but I haven’t looked closely enough at the Sony HEIF files to say for sure whether it is producing HDR photos or not. Regardless, the RAW files have plenty of range that I would expect modern RAW processing software to be able to emit HDR photos from them. My use of the word “even” was really meant to be a reprimand of the camera industry. If even an iPhone can do this, a “proper” camera should be able to do it even better. Extended dynamic range is incredibly important to make images photorealistic. Being limited to SDR should be pretty embarrassing for any photo-related company in 2022. But, that’s just like my opinion.
      - astrange 4y ago
        HEIF isn’t related to HDR really. iPhone HDR is a proprietary extension to HEIF, it doesn’t come for free.
- hotcoffeebear 4y ago
  It’s useless to upgrade with every new version (if you are not upgrading your camera); unfortunately all the companies slapping minor upgrades and making it a number release. I suggest Lightroom 6 for those who has older camera, otherwise discounted standalone version of Capture One (often goes in discounts). DAM feature is great in Lightroom; but this can be resolved by using some other app Can not wait to ditch Lightroom though. C1 is great for tethered sessions. Rethinking DAM, i think i need just a good filemanager, i am already organizing my folder by myself. If you are working in professional environment as a photographer, Capture One is a quite gold standard for photographer. In anycase, retouching is done in Photoshop.
kybernetyk 4y ago
>It’s much cheaper than Lightroom No. There's no more brand specific versions at half the price. You now pull the full price - even with a Fuji or Nikon. The subscription is roughly $19/month (if you pre pay annually - else it's $29/month) which is more than Adobe's offering. And the perpetual licenses got shitcanned recently (I bought one on Black Friday) - when you buy a perpetual license you won't get any minor updates for that version anymore. You buy C1 23.1 and they release 23.2? Well, bad luck. But there's a loyalty program where you can buy a paid update. Hehe. Oh, and their iPad version is an extra subscription at $5/mo. As a company I detest C1 more than Adobe. But their processing is so great. When I import my RAWs into C1 I don't have to do much with them. They look astounding out of the box.

by b212 4y ago

rqtwteye 4y ago

" It’s much cheaper than Lightroom " That's not true for the full version.

coder543 4y ago
Capture One does sell perpetual licenses, so I guess it depends on how often you upgrade. Regardless, I tried Capture One and Lightroom Classic side by side, and I liked Capture One a lot better. Even though it is more expensive for people who intend to upgrade regularly, it is worth every penny in my opinion, but I also think a lot of people will be able to get along fine on the freeware license. Capture One handled importing new batches of photos surprisingly better than Lightroom Classic, which actually locked up for long periods of time, and all sorts of other operations seemed faster, as if the underlying engine was not ancient. I don't remember all the details as I did this comparison about a year ago. I did not consider Lightroom CC to be a valid option for various reasons. I also strongly appreciate being able to have a perpetual license, instead of being forced to subscribe for the rest of my life if I want to be able to continue accessing all of my RAWs with the adjustments I make, and not just the exported photos. The one thing I disliked about both Capture One and Lightroom at the time is that neither supported proper, end-to-end HDR workflows. I have HDR displays. The RAW files contain a stunning amount of dynamic range. Even the common iPhone captures HDR photos (and I don't just mean HDR processing that gets stuffed into an 8-bit JPEG, I mean an actual HDR photo in 10-bit HEIF with an HDR curve). I want to be able to edit and view my RAW photos with extended dynamic range, not be limited to viewing an 8-bit SDR image while editing, and not be limited to exporting crappy 8-bit JPEGs that are missing so much dynamic range (or gargantuan TIFF files that have limited use cases). Adobe has started adding some HDR stuff this year, and that's the only thing Adobe offers that Capture One lacks that I'm even remotely interested in. Incidentally, I'm also upset that Chrome removed JPEG XL, which promises to be a common format with proper HDR support.
- astrange 4y ago
  > Even the common iPhone captures HDR photos That’s not an “even” thing; the iPhone has the /only/ end to end HDR still photo pipeline. Other cameras can do HDR video but not stills. The newest Sony and Canon cameras do support an HDR still colorspace, but not sure what image formats work with it.
  - coder543 4y ago
    My Sony A7IV also captures HEIFs instead of JPEGs (in addition to RAWs), but I haven’t looked closely enough at the Sony HEIF files to say for sure whether it is producing HDR photos or not. Regardless, the RAW files have plenty of range that I would expect modern RAW processing software to be able to emit HDR photos from them. My use of the word “even” was really meant to be a reprimand of the camera industry. If even an iPhone can do this, a “proper” camera should be able to do it even better. Extended dynamic range is incredibly important to make images photorealistic. Being limited to SDR should be pretty embarrassing for any photo-related company in 2022. But, that’s just like my opinion.
    - astrange 4y ago
      HEIF isn’t related to HDR really. iPhone HDR is a proprietary extension to HEIF, it doesn’t come for free.
hotcoffeebear 4y ago
It’s useless to upgrade with every new version (if you are not upgrading your camera); unfortunately all the companies slapping minor upgrades and making it a number release. I suggest Lightroom 6 for those who has older camera, otherwise discounted standalone version of Capture One (often goes in discounts). DAM feature is great in Lightroom; but this can be resolved by using some other app Can not wait to ditch Lightroom though. C1 is great for tethered sessions. Rethinking DAM, i think i need just a good filemanager, i am already organizing my folder by myself. If you are working in professional environment as a photographer, Capture One is a quite gold standard for photographer. In anycase, retouching is done in Photoshop.

kybernetyk 4y ago

>It’s much cheaper than Lightroom No. There's no more brand specific versions at half the price. You now pull the full price - even with a Fuji or Nikon. The subscription is roughly $19/month (if you pre pay annually - else it's $29/month) which is more than Adobe's offering. And the perpetual licenses got shitcanned recently (I bought one on Black Friday) - when you buy a perpetual license you won't get any minor updates for that version anymore. You buy C1 23.1 and they release 23.2? Well, bad luck. But there's a loyalty program where you can buy a paid update. Hehe. Oh, and their iPad version is an extra subscription at $5/mo. As a company I detest C1 more than Adobe. But their processing is so great. When I import my RAWs into C1 I don't have to do much with them. They look astounding out of the box.