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> Admins will ban you for whatever reason they want. Apparently the same thing happens on Twitter now. If the "Twitter Files" are to be believed, it's happened

> Admins will ban you for whatever reason they want. Apparently the same thing happens on Twitter now. If the "Twitter Files" are to be believed, it's happened for a long time before that. Frankly, I think all of this absurd rule-making is fine. If you disagree with it, nobody can stop you from creating your own instance and federating with all the great/terrible sites you want. The irony that these 'sky is falling' posts come from lifelong Twitter users feels like the icing on the cake. Nobody owes you anything on the internet; not Twitter, not Elon, and not the few-thousand instance admins who host servers out-of-pocket.

chroma 4y ago
The problem is that if you federate with the bad instances, you'll get de-federated from other instances. The people running the biggest instances think that anyone who reads anything on poa.st or gab or truth.social for any reason must be a nazi, and therefore worthy of banning.
- thejohnconway 4y ago
  In practice this is not true. De-federating based on association is not common, and mostly used by very tight and usually small servers. The big ones don't do that. Truth social defederated itself.
  - romwell 4y ago
    >De-federating based on association is not common As long as it's possible, it will happen.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      And it should. The alternative (forcing everyone to ingest everything) makes the system rife for abuse in all sorts of ways.
      - chroma 4y ago
        You only see the objectionable stuff if you follow those accounts or people who retweet those accounts. De-federation prevents people who want to communicate from communicating.
        toofy 4y ago
        > De-federation prevents people who want to communicate from communicating. no, it doesn’t. in fact, it’s far better than any of the centralized private closed off social media liek fb or twitter. it absolutely does not stop you from joining any mastodon server you want to join.
    - thejohnconway 4y ago
      It does in certain places, as I said, but the big mainstream servers don’t do it.
- int_19h 4y ago
  Here's the list of who defederated whom: https://fba.ryona.agency/scoreboard?blockers=300 https://fba.ryona.agency/scoreboard?blockers=300 I looked at mastodon.social, and I don't see any entries in their list where the reason is "federates with bad servers": https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=mastodon.social https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=mastodon.social OTOH here's an example of a small instance which does this sort of thing: https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=freethought.online https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=freethought.online So, which big instances are doing this?

chroma 4y ago

The problem is that if you federate with the bad instances, you'll get de-federated from other instances. The people running the biggest instances think that anyone who reads anything on poa.st or gab or truth.social for any reason must be a nazi, and therefore worthy of banning.

thejohnconway 4y ago
In practice this is not true. De-federating based on association is not common, and mostly used by very tight and usually small servers. The big ones don't do that. Truth social defederated itself.
- romwell 4y ago
  >De-federating based on association is not common As long as it's possible, it will happen.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    And it should. The alternative (forcing everyone to ingest everything) makes the system rife for abuse in all sorts of ways.
    - chroma 4y ago
      You only see the objectionable stuff if you follow those accounts or people who retweet those accounts. De-federation prevents people who want to communicate from communicating.
      - toofy 4y ago
        > De-federation prevents people who want to communicate from communicating. no, it doesn’t. in fact, it’s far better than any of the centralized private closed off social media liek fb or twitter. it absolutely does not stop you from joining any mastodon server you want to join.
  - thejohnconway 4y ago
    It does in certain places, as I said, but the big mainstream servers don’t do it.
int_19h 4y ago
Here's the list of who defederated whom: https://fba.ryona.agency/scoreboard?blockers=300 https://fba.ryona.agency/scoreboard?blockers=300 I looked at mastodon.social, and I don't see any entries in their list where the reason is "federates with bad servers": https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=mastodon.social https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=mastodon.social OTOH here's an example of a small instance which does this sort of thing: https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=freethought.online https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=freethought.online So, which big instances are doing this?