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I proposed a solution to both have more relaxed rules for personal profiles and have dedicated and highly regulated places for discussion. Seems like you just w

I proposed a solution to both have more relaxed rules for personal profiles and have dedicated and highly regulated places for discussion. Seems like you just want to call things dumb

pwinnski 4y ago
I don't have a history of calling things dumb, but you wrote this: > admins create these highly specific instances with peculiar rules, and people who want to create a profile there have to submit themselves to a highly limited set of conversations and content they can publish. what if I feel strongly about some geopolitical topic yet those kind of conversations are banned on my "LEGOholics" instance? You then proposed two things that don't make sense to solve a problem that doesn't exist. I called it like I see it.
- AstixAndBelix 4y ago
  I first started dabbling with Mastodon 5 years ago. In my country there only were 6 instances at the time. 3 were made up by anarcho-communists, 1 was dedicated to music, 1 was dedicated to video games and only 1 self-touted as a "generalist" instance. Of course I made my first profile on the generalist one, but I quicky discover I couldn't post on the timeline of the music or videogames one. I could only reply to already existing discussions, which was fine but gave me a big sense of passivity. This is a real problem for which I now propose a solution. If you think it's fine that the only people who can post in a specific community are the ones who have an account there (= giving all your data to the server admins) then maybe you have a completely different view of what should be possible on Mastodon.
  - ffssffss 4y ago
    Maybe a better title of this would have been, "Mastodon isn't a good social network for me". It sounds like you'd rather be on some kind of discussion forum with different areas for different topics all united under the same consistent moderation policies.
  - culturedsystems 4y ago
    "quicky discover I couldn't post on the timeline of the music or videogames one" That's technically true, but who cares? The instance timeline isn't a "community", it's just a particular filter applied to the global timeline. The communities of videogame and music enthusiasts are larger than any one instance, and can follow one another across instances, and see each others' tagged posts in searches across instances.
    - lmm 4y ago
      > The instance timeline isn't a "community", it's just a particular filter applied to the global timeline. Defaults matter. Usability matters. If that particular filter is the one that the community uses to communicate with each other, then who's included or excluded from that filter becomes very relevant.
      - kixiQu 4y ago
        While I agree with the principles of what you're saying, the facts are a bit off here: the instance timeline isn't the default, and the lead dev has tried to nerf it a lot in many ways – I think it doesn't even show up in the official iOS app? Also, anything posted "to the instance timeline" also shows up in federated timelines if you follow the poster, unless you're running a fork allowing "local-only" posting. One can always drop by https://mastovue.glitch.me https://mastovue.glitch.me every so often to tour the local TLs of instances in the neighborhood (https://www.comeetie.fr/galerie/mapstodon/ https://www.comeetie.fr/galerie/mapstodon/) to see if there's anyone worth following.

I proposed a solution to both have more relaxed rules for personal profiles and have dedicated and highly regulated places for discussion. Seems like you just want to call things dumb

pwinnski 4y ago

I don't have a history of calling things dumb, but you wrote this: > admins create these highly specific instances with peculiar rules, and people who want to create a profile there have to submit themselves to a highly limited set of conversations and content they can publish. what if I feel strongly about some geopolitical topic yet those kind of conversations are banned on my "LEGOholics" instance? You then proposed two things that don't make sense to solve a problem that doesn't exist. I called it like I see it.

AstixAndBelix 4y ago
I first started dabbling with Mastodon 5 years ago. In my country there only were 6 instances at the time. 3 were made up by anarcho-communists, 1 was dedicated to music, 1 was dedicated to video games and only 1 self-touted as a "generalist" instance. Of course I made my first profile on the generalist one, but I quicky discover I couldn't post on the timeline of the music or videogames one. I could only reply to already existing discussions, which was fine but gave me a big sense of passivity. This is a real problem for which I now propose a solution. If you think it's fine that the only people who can post in a specific community are the ones who have an account there (= giving all your data to the server admins) then maybe you have a completely different view of what should be possible on Mastodon.
- ffssffss 4y ago
  Maybe a better title of this would have been, "Mastodon isn't a good social network for me". It sounds like you'd rather be on some kind of discussion forum with different areas for different topics all united under the same consistent moderation policies.
- culturedsystems 4y ago
  "quicky discover I couldn't post on the timeline of the music or videogames one" That's technically true, but who cares? The instance timeline isn't a "community", it's just a particular filter applied to the global timeline. The communities of videogame and music enthusiasts are larger than any one instance, and can follow one another across instances, and see each others' tagged posts in searches across instances.
  - lmm 4y ago
    > The instance timeline isn't a "community", it's just a particular filter applied to the global timeline. Defaults matter. Usability matters. If that particular filter is the one that the community uses to communicate with each other, then who's included or excluded from that filter becomes very relevant.
    - kixiQu 4y ago
      While I agree with the principles of what you're saying, the facts are a bit off here: the instance timeline isn't the default, and the lead dev has tried to nerf it a lot in many ways – I think it doesn't even show up in the official iOS app? Also, anything posted "to the instance timeline" also shows up in federated timelines if you follow the poster, unless you're running a fork allowing "local-only" posting. One can always drop by https://mastovue.glitch.me https://mastovue.glitch.me every so often to tour the local TLs of instances in the neighborhood (https://www.comeetie.fr/galerie/mapstodon/ https://www.comeetie.fr/galerie/mapstodon/) to see if there's anyone worth following.