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I think the argument he makes at the end is that "we should have a centralized account model" and then let exactly what you say shine. It'll be like a twitter r

I think the argument he makes at the end is that "we should have a centralized account model" and then let exactly what you say shine. It'll be like a twitter reddit. Problem: If you sign up for say LEGO reddit, but want to post a geo-political thing, then suddenly YOU CANNOT because you need a new account. Reddit is about the subreddit's popularity Twitter is about personal popularity

madrox 4y ago
I don't think that's a fediverse problem. Nothing is stopping a server from implementing OpenID or some other centralized identity solution. However, these things don't happen for a reason.
lanstin 4y ago
True, but personal popularity is for me at least based on a useful property of people. When I was trying to explain why I enjoy Twitter so much, I would say, it is like Reddit but you only see people on your allow list, or vetted by your allow list. Reddit has too much junk and people I do not enjoy reading, but with twitter even if someone I follow doesn’t know that much about something, I think they are intelligent, funny, and reasonable, and that outweighs the dilution of expertise. Sure, if I want to buy some audiophile equipment, then I might follow reddit links in the search, but for conversation, I like people of a certain wit and style.
fluidcruft 4y ago
> Problem: If you sign up for say LEGO reddit, but want to post a geo-political thing, then suddenly YOU CANNOT because you need a new account. Reddit doesn't actually solve that problem because subreddit moderators often run ban scripts that check which subreddits you have interacted with. If you happen to talk to the wrong people, you wind up banned and need a new account to talk to other people.
- Justsignedup 4y ago
  that's a problem, yes. BUT. Reddit is popularity of the subreddit centric. So your own personal popularity doesn't really matter. Its why people make throw-away accounts all the darn time. Twitter is about personal popularity. This is why it is so important on twitter to have personal recognition. Mastodon is reddit style moderation, with twitter style identity/popularity.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  This only happens on hyper political subreddits you don't want to be in anyway.
  - Sebb767 4y ago
    Last I checked, the ban bots exist in default subreddits (like /r/TwoXChromosomes) and there are reason you might want to comment in one of the shunned subs - not that you will usually know a sub is on that list until the bots get you. This kind of guilt by association is horrible.
    - yucky 4y ago
      [flagged]
      - Gigachad 4y ago
        As far as I can tell, default subs haven't been a thing for many years now. The new reddit UI will ask you to pick topics you are interested in and show you subs related to those. And that UI shows an absolutely huge number number of subs so if you pick your country as an interest, it will show you quite small local related subs for example.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - lmm 4y ago
      Being a default in no way makes something not a "hyper political subreddit you don't want to be in anyway". TwoXChromosomes meets that description.
  - yucky 4y ago
    It happens on /worldnews which is a huge sub and shouldn't (in theory) be hyperpolitical. I've even seen it on subs like /nhl that have have nothing to do with politics at all, banning people for posts on other subs that don't align with the mods politics. Not that it matters, Reddit is essentially useless now but at one point it was a great source of information.
- delecti 4y ago
  I have spent an unhealthy amount of time on reddit over the past 14 years and have never heard of such a thing. I find it unlikely that it's a significant problem which I've just been lucky to never brush against.
  - tbrownaw 4y ago
    Ask your favorite search engine about Reddit ban "biological terrorism" for an example of such mass bans for posting in the wrong places from earlier this year.
  - this_user 4y ago
    It exists, but it only really happens on either subs with zealot moderators who are trying to maintain ideological purity, or on normal subs who are just trying to get rid of particularly obnoxious users who are more often than not part of the first category.
  - hejaodbsidndbd 4y ago
  - cultureswitch 4y ago
    You're lucky. Naturally this isn't something that the moderators in question particularly like to talk about as it instantly gives them away as nutjobs. The thing with malicious moderation is that if it is done well, lurkers never realize. That in turn contributes to a warped view of reality. That said, reddit is still better than other social networks because, with some very big caveats, moderation is somewhat isolated from one subreddit to the next.
  - burnished 4y ago
    I’ve only seen discussion of it on political subs, which I take to mean it mostly occurs on political subs.
  - mypalmike 4y ago
    +1. While I trust this phenomenon happens, it's something I've never seen, and is certainly not a defining part of the experience. Source: Absurd amount of time on Reddit.
- Spivak 4y ago
  > moderators often run ban scripts that check which subreddits you have interacted with I made a user-centric version of this and it's the only thing that has made Reddit usable. All the people who participate in toxic communities are just gone, invisible. I don't have to see them, their replies don't show up in my inbox. It's absolute bliss. I'm sure there are plenty of false positives but I really don't care since the value of any particular user's comments is zero. Like people seem to intuitively get that /r/all is only usable once you filter out basically everything; my own list has a little over 1200 subreddits on it and then you add in keywords. It was the same with Twitter. The enjoyment and usability skyrocketed once you used a recursive blocker on worst kinds of people. I can understand the frustration but it's really hard to argue with the results.
  - vxNsr 4y ago
    Is this an extension or user script? Care to share?
- romwell 4y ago
  >Reddit doesn't actually solve that problem because subreddit moderators often run ban scripts that check which subreddits you have interacted with. If you happen to talk to the wrong people, you wind up banned and need a new account to talk to other people. Broken analogy. You can get banned from any subreddit for any reason, but you won't need a new account, because you can still be on all the other subreddits and communicate with other users. Also, with over 140K combined karma (90K comment, 45K post karma, roughly), I have never experienced that issue on that 6-year-old account.
smeagull 4y ago
I don't want the streams to cross. I don't want to get my politics into my LEGO. But I also don't want to track multiple accounts.
- Justsignedup 4y ago
  exactly!!!! i want to be able to go to a geopolitical mastodon and enjoy posting/reading there, and ignore the rest of the federation, but sometimes I want to see all like reddit's /r/all or the front page.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Yeah I'd rather a client that can transparently create new accounts for each community. You can't interact honestly or freely on places like reddit because nut cases will read every one of your comments to piece together enough info to dox you. You have to be hyper vigilant and post enough fake or in accurate info to throw them off but it's just not as good as a private community you can trust.
  - Karrot_Kream 4y ago
    That's just because Reddit lets people see where someone posts. On Matrix and Discord, you can use the same identity to join two different rooms, and only people that are in the same two rooms will know that you're there. It's always cute serendipity when I join a different Matrix room or Discord guild and find someone I know from one of the others. Quite charming. Reddit's public-timeline-by-default is what encourages the crazy stalking and cross-sub banning behavior, but its norms come from a time when Reddit and the web was a lot smaller.
- madrox 4y ago
  This is arguably a client issue and not a federation issue. In the days of instant messaging we had no problem managing our AIM, ICQ, MSN, etc all in Trillian. We manage lots of accounts all the time anyway. The alternative is we revive OpenID, but good luck with that
  - 4y ago

madrox 4y ago

I don't think that's a fediverse problem. Nothing is stopping a server from implementing OpenID or some other centralized identity solution. However, these things don't happen for a reason.

lanstin 4y ago

True, but personal popularity is for me at least based on a useful property of people. When I was trying to explain why I enjoy Twitter so much, I would say, it is like Reddit but you only see people on your allow list, or vetted by your allow list. Reddit has too much junk and people I do not enjoy reading, but with twitter even if someone I follow doesn’t know that much about something, I think they are intelligent, funny, and reasonable, and that outweighs the dilution of expertise. Sure, if I want to buy some audiophile equipment, then I might follow reddit links in the search, but for conversation, I like people of a certain wit and style.

fluidcruft 4y ago

> Problem: If you sign up for say LEGO reddit, but want to post a geo-political thing, then suddenly YOU CANNOT because you need a new account. Reddit doesn't actually solve that problem because subreddit moderators often run ban scripts that check which subreddits you have interacted with. If you happen to talk to the wrong people, you wind up banned and need a new account to talk to other people.

Justsignedup 4y ago
that's a problem, yes. BUT. Reddit is popularity of the subreddit centric. So your own personal popularity doesn't really matter. Its why people make throw-away accounts all the darn time. Twitter is about personal popularity. This is why it is so important on twitter to have personal recognition. Mastodon is reddit style moderation, with twitter style identity/popularity.
Gigachad 4y ago
This only happens on hyper political subreddits you don't want to be in anyway.
- Sebb767 4y ago
  Last I checked, the ban bots exist in default subreddits (like /r/TwoXChromosomes) and there are reason you might want to comment in one of the shunned subs - not that you will usually know a sub is on that list until the bots get you. This kind of guilt by association is horrible.
  - yucky 4y ago
    [flagged]
    - Gigachad 4y ago
      As far as I can tell, default subs haven't been a thing for many years now. The new reddit UI will ask you to pick topics you are interested in and show you subs related to those. And that UI shows an absolutely huge number number of subs so if you pick your country as an interest, it will show you quite small local related subs for example.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - lmm 4y ago
    Being a default in no way makes something not a "hyper political subreddit you don't want to be in anyway". TwoXChromosomes meets that description.
- yucky 4y ago
  It happens on /worldnews which is a huge sub and shouldn't (in theory) be hyperpolitical. I've even seen it on subs like /nhl that have have nothing to do with politics at all, banning people for posts on other subs that don't align with the mods politics. Not that it matters, Reddit is essentially useless now but at one point it was a great source of information.
delecti 4y ago
I have spent an unhealthy amount of time on reddit over the past 14 years and have never heard of such a thing. I find it unlikely that it's a significant problem which I've just been lucky to never brush against.
- tbrownaw 4y ago
  Ask your favorite search engine about Reddit ban "biological terrorism" for an example of such mass bans for posting in the wrong places from earlier this year.
- this_user 4y ago
  It exists, but it only really happens on either subs with zealot moderators who are trying to maintain ideological purity, or on normal subs who are just trying to get rid of particularly obnoxious users who are more often than not part of the first category.
- hejaodbsidndbd 4y ago
- cultureswitch 4y ago
  You're lucky. Naturally this isn't something that the moderators in question particularly like to talk about as it instantly gives them away as nutjobs. The thing with malicious moderation is that if it is done well, lurkers never realize. That in turn contributes to a warped view of reality. That said, reddit is still better than other social networks because, with some very big caveats, moderation is somewhat isolated from one subreddit to the next.
- burnished 4y ago
  I’ve only seen discussion of it on political subs, which I take to mean it mostly occurs on political subs.
- mypalmike 4y ago
  +1. While I trust this phenomenon happens, it's something I've never seen, and is certainly not a defining part of the experience. Source: Absurd amount of time on Reddit.
Spivak 4y ago
> moderators often run ban scripts that check which subreddits you have interacted with I made a user-centric version of this and it's the only thing that has made Reddit usable. All the people who participate in toxic communities are just gone, invisible. I don't have to see them, their replies don't show up in my inbox. It's absolute bliss. I'm sure there are plenty of false positives but I really don't care since the value of any particular user's comments is zero. Like people seem to intuitively get that /r/all is only usable once you filter out basically everything; my own list has a little over 1200 subreddits on it and then you add in keywords. It was the same with Twitter. The enjoyment and usability skyrocketed once you used a recursive blocker on worst kinds of people. I can understand the frustration but it's really hard to argue with the results.
- vxNsr 4y ago
  Is this an extension or user script? Care to share?
romwell 4y ago
>Reddit doesn't actually solve that problem because subreddit moderators often run ban scripts that check which subreddits you have interacted with. If you happen to talk to the wrong people, you wind up banned and need a new account to talk to other people. Broken analogy. You can get banned from any subreddit for any reason, but you won't need a new account, because you can still be on all the other subreddits and communicate with other users. Also, with over 140K combined karma (90K comment, 45K post karma, roughly), I have never experienced that issue on that 6-year-old account.

smeagull 4y ago

I don't want the streams to cross. I don't want to get my politics into my LEGO. But I also don't want to track multiple accounts.

Justsignedup 4y ago
exactly!!!! i want to be able to go to a geopolitical mastodon and enjoy posting/reading there, and ignore the rest of the federation, but sometimes I want to see all like reddit's /r/all or the front page.
Gigachad 4y ago
Yeah I'd rather a client that can transparently create new accounts for each community. You can't interact honestly or freely on places like reddit because nut cases will read every one of your comments to piece together enough info to dox you. You have to be hyper vigilant and post enough fake or in accurate info to throw them off but it's just not as good as a private community you can trust.
- Karrot_Kream 4y ago
  That's just because Reddit lets people see where someone posts. On Matrix and Discord, you can use the same identity to join two different rooms, and only people that are in the same two rooms will know that you're there. It's always cute serendipity when I join a different Matrix room or Discord guild and find someone I know from one of the others. Quite charming. Reddit's public-timeline-by-default is what encourages the crazy stalking and cross-sub banning behavior, but its norms come from a time when Reddit and the web was a lot smaller.
madrox 4y ago
This is arguably a client issue and not a federation issue. In the days of instant messaging we had no problem managing our AIM, ICQ, MSN, etc all in Trillian. We manage lots of accounts all the time anyway. The alternative is we revive OpenID, but good luck with that
- 4y ago