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You can perceive what you will. Your identity is no more or less objectively real than mine.
by sverona 4y ago
You can perceive what you will. Your identity is no more or less objectively real than mine.
- at_a_remove 4y agoI can agree with that statement. It just doesn't jibe with the bit you ignored above: forcing another person to play along with the fantasy of someone else's identity, trying to make "misgendering" a crime (which itself can be rather incoherent, you cannot misgender someone who claims that gender doesn't apply to them). It's the being forced to play along with the six-year old Stefonknee's playtime to which I object. Evading it with solipsism and "what your definition of 'is' is" word games is a distraction.
- sverona 4y agoYou bristle at "being forced to play along with a fantasy" because you prefer a different and equally fantastic fantasy. And who's forcing you into anything? Who's trying to make misgendering a crime? It's impolite, the same as violating any other boundary is --- imagine if I started doing it to you on purpose --- but there is no possible way for it to be legally codified in an enforceable manner, and I can assure you that trans people don't want that anyway.
- politician 4y agoDoesn’t this line of reasoning lead you to necessarily conclude that the other’s identity is strictly less objectively real than your own? Your identity is continuously simulated on your own wetware, but the other’s identity simulation has only recently started running and suffers from a low synchronization rate. TLDR: For all you know, your sparring partner is ChatGPT.
- sverona 4y agoThis gets into some philosophy-of-mind weeds that I may not be well equipped to navigate, but my contention is that identities aren't objectively real at all. They are constructions. They're as real as the real line.