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Kickstarter Suspends UNstable Diffusion

35 points by cetinsert 4y ago

cetinsert 4y ago
Backers now get this email: Hello, This is a message from Kickstarter's Trust and Safety Team. We're writing to let you know that a project you recently backed, Unstable Diffusion: Unrestricted Al Art Powered by the Crowd (Suspended), has been suspended As a result, your $30 00 pledge has been automatically canceled and you will not be charged. No further action is needed. We take the integrity of the Kickstarter system very seriously. We only suspend projects when we find strong evidence that they are misrepresenting themselves or otherwise violating the letter or spirit of Kickstarter's rules. We may also suspend projects when they are the subject of an unresolved intellectual property dispute and/or valid intellectual property claim. As a policy, we do not offer comment on project suspensions beyond what is stated in this message. We know this isn't ideal. But we do sincerely hope to see you again soon, backing one or more of the amazing projects that do cross the finish line, without a hitch, each and every day Best wishes, Kickstarter Trust and Safety See their public stance: https://updates.kickstarter.com/ai-current-thinking/ https://updates.kickstarter.com/ai-current-thinking/ Also released just today.
satvikpendem 4y ago
Sad to see. I mentioned it before that the work UD are doing, making much higher quality data sets [0], are likely to offer big gains over only using LAION datasets which are rather poor. Perhaps they'll find another type of donation scheme, such as a Stripe page. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33958037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33958037
- cetinsert 4y ago
  At https://discord.gg/unstablediffusion https://discord.gg/unstablediffusion people are already organizing around other platforms, such as, Patreon. I think this might even speed things up in the end.
aperrien 4y ago
So, if I get this right, the main issue that the artists have is that these AI's are trained on art that they haven't opted in to the dataset? What about having a dataset that was verified selected from public domain or creative commons photos and artwork? Would that be acceptable?
- endofreach 4y ago
  I doubt the material the artists have been trained on were all creative commons / public domain.
  - aperrien 4y ago
    Rather than getting into that debate, it's probably more practical and efficent to just create a new verified dataset.
    - cetinsert 4y ago
      When electric cars first came out, Europe/Germany was quick to pass a law requiring artificially increased engine noise for pedestrian safety. South Korea on the other hand manages to enjoy the innate quietness of electric cars just fine. AI does not even have such geographic boundaries. There will always be people training/releasing newer versions. We had better grasp this fact early and enjoy the benefits equally.
      - viraptor 4y ago
        > South Korea on the other hand manages to enjoy the innate quietness of electric cars just fine. Have you checked with their cyclists? I've got enough experiences of surprising them when they didn't hear a silent car coming close to them.
  - cetinsert 4y ago
    That is how I think too. Artists (or anyone feeling threatened by AI) should just embrace the new tools into their workflows. We can work together with AI for faster results, more inspiration, more output.

35 points by cetinsert 4y ago

Backers now get this email: Hello, This is a message from Kickstarter's Trust and Safety Team. We're writing to let you know that a project you recently backed, Unstable Diffusion: Unrestricted Al Art Powered by the Crowd (Suspended), has been suspended As a result, your $30 00 pledge has been automatically canceled and you will not be charged. No further action is needed. We take the integrity of the Kickstarter system very seriously. We only suspend projects when we find strong evidence that they are misrepresenting themselves or otherwise violating the letter or spirit of Kickstarter's rules. We may also suspend projects when they are the subject of an unresolved intellectual property dispute and/or valid intellectual property claim. As a policy, we do not offer comment on project suspensions beyond what is stated in this message. We know this isn't ideal. But we do sincerely hope to see you again soon, backing one or more of the amazing projects that do cross the finish line, without a hitch, each and every day Best wishes, Kickstarter Trust and Safety See their public stance: https://updates.kickstarter.com/ai-current-thinking/ https://updates.kickstarter.com/ai-current-thinking/ Also released just today.

satvikpendem 4y ago

Sad to see. I mentioned it before that the work UD are doing, making much higher quality data sets [0], are likely to offer big gains over only using LAION datasets which are rather poor. Perhaps they'll find another type of donation scheme, such as a Stripe page. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33958037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33958037

cetinsert 4y ago
At https://discord.gg/unstablediffusion https://discord.gg/unstablediffusion people are already organizing around other platforms, such as, Patreon. I think this might even speed things up in the end.

aperrien 4y ago

So, if I get this right, the main issue that the artists have is that these AI's are trained on art that they haven't opted in to the dataset? What about having a dataset that was verified selected from public domain or creative commons photos and artwork? Would that be acceptable?

endofreach 4y ago
I doubt the material the artists have been trained on were all creative commons / public domain.
- aperrien 4y ago
  Rather than getting into that debate, it's probably more practical and efficent to just create a new verified dataset.
  - cetinsert 4y ago
    When electric cars first came out, Europe/Germany was quick to pass a law requiring artificially increased engine noise for pedestrian safety. South Korea on the other hand manages to enjoy the innate quietness of electric cars just fine. AI does not even have such geographic boundaries. There will always be people training/releasing newer versions. We had better grasp this fact early and enjoy the benefits equally.
    - viraptor 4y ago
      > South Korea on the other hand manages to enjoy the innate quietness of electric cars just fine. Have you checked with their cyclists? I've got enough experiences of surprising them when they didn't hear a silent car coming close to them.
- cetinsert 4y ago
  That is how I think too. Artists (or anyone feeling threatened by AI) should just embrace the new tools into their workflows. We can work together with AI for faster results, more inspiration, more output.