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Sure but they're also enacting their will on someone through a social construct (the legal system) designed by society to enact the popular will on individuals.

Sure but they're also enacting their will on someone through a social construct (the legal system) designed by society to enact the popular will on individuals. If you live next to someone concerned about their investment, perhaps you should consider what mechanisms exist to prevent you from using your property in a way that would affect their investment. This kind of argument can go on and on forever because there's no right answer. The homeowner can do what they want within the confines of the legal system on their property, and the investor can do what they want within the confines of the legal system to protect their investment.

flandish 4y ago
The only “right” answer lies in the idea that one’s home should out prioritize another’s investment. Investment supports a class driven, divide building system. Homes support humans. One of the two above clearly, imho, has “right of way.”
- renewiltord 4y ago
  For you. But for me, applying pressure (political or financial) to get my way without deleterious consequences to myself is the way to live. Why shouldn't I simply arrogate to myself the right to direct all of society's resources to my own comfort? The Veil of Ignorance is nonsensical. I can condition probabilities of outcomes on my current state and choose appropriate action. Why would I discard any power I have? That just transfers the balance of power to power of another sort that others have.
  - AlexandrB 4y ago
    The logical conclusion of this is a panopticon, where those with more power lord over those with less in all areas of life. Sounds great for some, I guess. Me, I like some freedom.
    - renewiltord 4y ago
      Well, the problem with building such weapons is that they may be pointed at you. Price that in and the best case is lots of rules for you and few rules for me. Which I like. Your desire for freedom is unlikely to be very deep. You'll give it up to impose rules on your neighbor, most likely.
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  What if I'm using my home as an investment to fund my retirement? for which I have no savings... this is never as clear as you think it is
guerrilla 4y ago
> Sure but they're also enacting their will on someone through a social construct (the legal system) designed by society to enact the popular will on individuals. Your argument is premised on the law not being for sale and thus the distribution of power being extremely unequal and therefore unjust, but (at least in real life) you're wrong.
friend_and_foe 4y ago
There is a right answer. "What's mine is none of your god damn business." If you're investing in property, great, don't make your problems my problem.
- flandish 4y ago
  Exactly. They “hedge” their investments through monied expression and bullying of others enjoying their own property. Pretty standard sociopathic capitalist formula, to be honest.
  - friend_and_foe 4y ago
    Eh, I'm not with you on the whole anti capitalism angle to all this, I think "what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours so leave me alone and I'll leave you alone" about covers it.
    - flandish 4y ago
      Fair point. Just consider: the only reason one investor will complain abt “value” - is because that value exists on a market that’s (purpose) built to extract as much “value” as possible with very little, often fought for, regard for humanity.
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  Sorry, you live in a society so that doesn't work in theory or in practice.
  - friend_and_foe 4y ago
    "I also exist so you have to live bu my rules" it doesn't make a lot of sense when you boil it down to itst essence. Just because I live in proximity to people doesn't mean they get to dictate the terms of my life beyond whatever involvement I have with them directly. Just because you want it to be that way doesn't mean it will be, and me and others like me will keep pushing to be left alone by people who get a hard on looking to exert power over us.

flandish 4y ago

The only “right” answer lies in the idea that one’s home should out prioritize another’s investment. Investment supports a class driven, divide building system. Homes support humans. One of the two above clearly, imho, has “right of way.”

renewiltord 4y ago
For you. But for me, applying pressure (political or financial) to get my way without deleterious consequences to myself is the way to live. Why shouldn't I simply arrogate to myself the right to direct all of society's resources to my own comfort? The Veil of Ignorance is nonsensical. I can condition probabilities of outcomes on my current state and choose appropriate action. Why would I discard any power I have? That just transfers the balance of power to power of another sort that others have.
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  The logical conclusion of this is a panopticon, where those with more power lord over those with less in all areas of life. Sounds great for some, I guess. Me, I like some freedom.
  - renewiltord 4y ago
    Well, the problem with building such weapons is that they may be pointed at you. Price that in and the best case is lots of rules for you and few rules for me. Which I like. Your desire for freedom is unlikely to be very deep. You'll give it up to impose rules on your neighbor, most likely.
micromacrofoot 4y ago
What if I'm using my home as an investment to fund my retirement? for which I have no savings... this is never as clear as you think it is

guerrilla 4y ago

> Sure but they're also enacting their will on someone through a social construct (the legal system) designed by society to enact the popular will on individuals. Your argument is premised on the law not being for sale and thus the distribution of power being extremely unequal and therefore unjust, but (at least in real life) you're wrong.

friend_and_foe 4y ago

There is a right answer. "What's mine is none of your god damn business." If you're investing in property, great, don't make your problems my problem.

flandish 4y ago
Exactly. They “hedge” their investments through monied expression and bullying of others enjoying their own property. Pretty standard sociopathic capitalist formula, to be honest.
- friend_and_foe 4y ago
  Eh, I'm not with you on the whole anti capitalism angle to all this, I think "what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours so leave me alone and I'll leave you alone" about covers it.
  - flandish 4y ago
    Fair point. Just consider: the only reason one investor will complain abt “value” - is because that value exists on a market that’s (purpose) built to extract as much “value” as possible with very little, often fought for, regard for humanity.
micromacrofoot 4y ago
Sorry, you live in a society so that doesn't work in theory or in practice.
- friend_and_foe 4y ago
  "I also exist so you have to live bu my rules" it doesn't make a lot of sense when you boil it down to itst essence. Just because I live in proximity to people doesn't mean they get to dictate the terms of my life beyond whatever involvement I have with them directly. Just because you want it to be that way doesn't mean it will be, and me and others like me will keep pushing to be left alone by people who get a hard on looking to exert power over us.