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Plenty of warehouses and repair shops for rent in non-residential zones for $30/sq ft/year Edit: something also worth considering is extremely high correlation

Plenty of warehouses and repair shops for rent in non-residential zones for $30/sq ft/year Edit: something also worth considering is extremely high correlation of academic outcomes and noise pollution levels. It’s been widely documented to affect learning and brain performance. The evidence is so widely established that in NYC it is forbidden to idle engines in front of schools for more than 1 minute. Now you have to weigh the benefits. Should the law be tilted to satisfy needs of an individual trying to fix their motor and negatively affect multiple other individuals, or should the interested party get to the designated repair zone in which case it only affects that single individual.

inetknght 4y ago
> Plenty of warehouses and repair shops for rent in non-residential zones for $30/sq ft/year That's quite expensive compared to the cost already being paid for a home!
- mrcode007 4y ago
  Sure. That’s why professional repair shops exist that can do things for you for cheaper. It’s called comparative advantage in economics and leads to emergence of trade and economies. Compare with rural Nepal, where everyone can and does nearly everything on their own and you see it leads to a never ending cycle of poverty. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage
  - inetknght 4y ago
    > That’s why professional repair shops exist that can do things for you for cheaper. "Cheaper" can still be more expensive than doing it on your own property that you're already paying for. The only real expensive is your time. Some people value their time doing this far more than they would by sending it to someone else. There absolutely is value in doing things yourself when you can.
  - petermcneeley 4y ago
    To refine inetknght's point. Assuming people are perfect economically rational actors we can also assume they have made the comparative advantage computation and found that it is economically better for them to do their own repairs. I also think you have the causal relationship backwards. Having an advance society of experts leads to less people doing everything on their own and doing their own repairs.
Mezzie 4y ago
I'd take this argument more seriously if people cared about non poor/non 'trashy' noise. For some reason we rarely see people up in arms about lawn mowers/leaf blowers/parties/screaming children etc.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > For some reason we rarely see people up in arms about lawn mowers/leaf blowers/parties/screaming children etc. Complaints about leaf blowers are extremely common, and parties are one of the most frequent targets of noise complaints to actual enforcement bodies.
  - Mezzie 4y ago
    And yet we don't prohibit the ownership or use of leaf blowers or police party noise. You can own the loudest sound systems known to man. I just find the way we change arguments around hobby externalities depending on the hobby to be interesting.
    - mrcode007 4y ago
      Here’s an article on gas powered leaf blower ban: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38004981/california-ban-gas-powered-lawn-equipment/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38004981/california-ban-g... Here’s the actual law in CA: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1346 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm... FWIW electric leaf blowers do make significantly less noise
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > And yet we don't prohibit the ownership or use of leaf blowers or police party noise We actually do police party noise, plus have the police use noise ordinance complaints as cause to probe for other citable/arrestable violations at private parties. And we do regulate time, place, and manner of use of leaf blowers in many jurisdictions.
- mrcode007 4y ago

inetknght 4y ago

> Plenty of warehouses and repair shops for rent in non-residential zones for $30/sq ft/year That's quite expensive compared to the cost already being paid for a home!

mrcode007 4y ago
Sure. That’s why professional repair shops exist that can do things for you for cheaper. It’s called comparative advantage in economics and leads to emergence of trade and economies. Compare with rural Nepal, where everyone can and does nearly everything on their own and you see it leads to a never ending cycle of poverty. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage
- inetknght 4y ago
  > That’s why professional repair shops exist that can do things for you for cheaper. "Cheaper" can still be more expensive than doing it on your own property that you're already paying for. The only real expensive is your time. Some people value their time doing this far more than they would by sending it to someone else. There absolutely is value in doing things yourself when you can.
- petermcneeley 4y ago
  To refine inetknght's point. Assuming people are perfect economically rational actors we can also assume they have made the comparative advantage computation and found that it is economically better for them to do their own repairs. I also think you have the causal relationship backwards. Having an advance society of experts leads to less people doing everything on their own and doing their own repairs.

Mezzie 4y ago

I'd take this argument more seriously if people cared about non poor/non 'trashy' noise. For some reason we rarely see people up in arms about lawn mowers/leaf blowers/parties/screaming children etc.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> For some reason we rarely see people up in arms about lawn mowers/leaf blowers/parties/screaming children etc. Complaints about leaf blowers are extremely common, and parties are one of the most frequent targets of noise complaints to actual enforcement bodies.
- Mezzie 4y ago
  And yet we don't prohibit the ownership or use of leaf blowers or police party noise. You can own the loudest sound systems known to man. I just find the way we change arguments around hobby externalities depending on the hobby to be interesting.
  - mrcode007 4y ago
    Here’s an article on gas powered leaf blower ban: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38004981/california-ban-gas-powered-lawn-equipment/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38004981/california-ban-g... Here’s the actual law in CA: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1346 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm... FWIW electric leaf blowers do make significantly less noise
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > And yet we don't prohibit the ownership or use of leaf blowers or police party noise We actually do police party noise, plus have the police use noise ordinance complaints as cause to probe for other citable/arrestable violations at private parties. And we do regulate time, place, and manner of use of leaf blowers in many jurisdictions.
mrcode007 4y ago