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this thread has lost the distinction between light industrial zoning, community aesthetics and personal behaviors. In the "USA" is not really useful because, d

this thread has lost the distinction between light industrial zoning, community aesthetics and personal behaviors. In the "USA" is not really useful because, due to history, these laws in one State can be very different than in another USA State; that property ownership is generally a County level authority; and City rules can be different again, by zoning. There is no shortage of stupid, destructive behavior among humans, agree. However zoning is generally exactly to keep light industrial activity (poisons, smells, leaks) away from residential areas (children, people with illness, health). The personal Auto blurs that distinction and yes, is a source of poisons and bad aesthetics.. so there is work to do. Two items -- people from Asian countries, or the Global South, or others, do have really different cultural aesthetics than Germans about houses and yards; secondly there is a different fundamental agreement in America about how to allocate rights and responsibility to land owners. Is it not true that most Germans do not own a home? Is it true that the Catholic Church in Germany is the largest apartment owner, by a large margin?

mschuster91 4y ago
> Is it not true that most Germans do not own a home? Yes, only about 47% own the home they are living in [1] - partially due to a strong history of government-provided and cooperative-owned housing, partially because land values around suburban and urban areas have exploded so far that young people can't ever hope of owning anything. > Is it true that the Catholic Church in Germany is the largest apartment owner, by a large margin? Good question. The Catholic Church is extremely intransparent, so serious estimates can't really be made [2]. The real estate market is extremely fractured - even the largest players Deutsche Wohnen and Vonovia, with something like 550k homes, own just 2% of the market combined [3]. The Catholic Church has been estimated at about 130k units in the past [4], so they are while certainly a large player still not the largest, not even close. [1] https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Wohnen/_inhalt.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Wohnen... [2] https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/katholische-kirche-das-versteckte-vermoegen-der-bistuemer-a-1269846.html https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/katholische-kirch... [3] https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/vonovia-deutsche-wohnen-miter-aktionaere-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/vonovia-deu... [4] https://www.domradio.de/artikel/zwischen-investment-und-sozialer-verantwortung-die-kirche-als-immobilienbesitzerin https://www.domradio.de/artikel/zwischen-investment-und-sozi...

mschuster91 4y ago

> Is it not true that most Germans do not own a home? Yes, only about 47% own the home they are living in [1] - partially due to a strong history of government-provided and cooperative-owned housing, partially because land values around suburban and urban areas have exploded so far that young people can't ever hope of owning anything. > Is it true that the Catholic Church in Germany is the largest apartment owner, by a large margin? Good question. The Catholic Church is extremely intransparent, so serious estimates can't really be made [2]. The real estate market is extremely fractured - even the largest players Deutsche Wohnen and Vonovia, with something like 550k homes, own just 2% of the market combined [3]. The Catholic Church has been estimated at about 130k units in the past [4], so they are while certainly a large player still not the largest, not even close. [1] https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Wohnen/_inhalt.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Wohnen... [2] https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/katholische-kirche-das-versteckte-vermoegen-der-bistuemer-a-1269846.html https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/katholische-kirch... [3] https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/vonovia-deutsche-wohnen-miter-aktionaere-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/vonovia-deu... [4] https://www.domradio.de/artikel/zwischen-investment-und-sozialer-verantwortung-die-kirche-als-immobilienbesitzerin https://www.domradio.de/artikel/zwischen-investment-und-sozi...