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The iphone 6 supports ios 15. This is a problem for people that refuse to update their devices from ios 9. It is all related to changes in the activation prot

The iphone 6 supports ios 15. This is a problem for people that refuse to update their devices from ios 9. It is all related to changes in the activation protocol, which was utterly broken and allowed all kinds of iCloud bypasses for activation; update it to a newer version, and it uses the newer protocol and no problem at all. This is a nine-year-old device that can still be updated.

loloquwowndueo 4y ago
“Refuse to update” ? If the device otherwise works well why should one do this?
- whynaut 4y ago
  > utterly broken
- sbuk 4y ago
  In this case, to prevent oneself being locked out of one’s device.
- mvanbaak 4y ago
  security updates are important. and on a mobile device that's connected it's really important.
  - mihaaly 4y ago
    it was so good if it was security update only and not f-ing up existing functionality - on top of poor security release fixes - and forcing on the user unrelated and never needed other things as well. this 'security' rasoning for update thing is a big fat lie! do security updates only then!
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - elzbardico 4y ago
      Most software nowadays is network centric and talk to other computers. Protocols evolve for reasons beyond security, and thus, updating your customer device is required to keep inter-operability
    - antihero 4y ago
      If they do security updates for obsolete versions of software this means a huge amount of resources testing and developing patches against it that could be spent improving current software.
      - mihaaly 4y ago
        Improving must mean here making even bigger and more complex pile of whatever, making it more vulnerable by complexity and new, barely tested or thought through new versions. We could live without that easily! They could divert resources from "improvements" easily then and consequently making the job of ensuring the quality of already sold vulnerable products to live up to the minimum standards! Testing much much less of existing and broadly distributed products by not making so many obsolete versions so rapidly, putting resources where it counts instead of flashy pile of superficial sh*t! Something truly and reliable useful at last!
    - acdha 4y ago
      Remember that in many cases security fixes involve architectural improvements. You can get those by installing the free system updates and those don’t break existing functionality so it’s understandable that they don’t double the workload by patching very old releases, especially since that’s paying more to have a slower phone with fewer features.
  - mistrial9 4y ago
    security is both real, and potentially an infinite excuse to require new purchases, new validation, new terms of services and anything else that the party in control deems 'required', at any interval they can get away with...
- jve 4y ago
  Well, to decrease performance.
- elzbardico 4y ago
  Because it is not a standalone computer but a computer which is permanently connected to the internet and where most software was built specifically for connected use cases or where non-connected use-cases don’t even make sense. So, unless you’re using your old iPhone like an early 90’s PC without a modem or any other kind of networking it is perfectly reasonable to expect you to update it if you want it to talk to cloud services
  - dzhiurgis 4y ago
    Nice segway into huge iOS gap - Lulu firewall -like ability to block apps and processes from internet access.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      Cool, but then what use is smartphone without internet access? It just becomes an oversized and inefficient clock. Especially, since on iPhones you can't easily sideload apps offline like you can on Android.
      - dzhiurgis 4y ago
        It's a normal security practice to prevent untrusted apps from calling home. The problem is Apple thinks you are ok to trust them after reviewing their binary code for 120 seconds.
      - hn92726819 4y ago
        They aren't saying disable internet for the whole phone. Just a select few apps. Some android roms have this feature (or rooted users can use AFwall) and it's amazing. You can install a game, block its internet, and the game can't track you, show you annoying ads, or show you full screen newsletters fetched from the internet. Edit: you already can disable internet for the whole phone just leave it on airplane mode for eternity. But as you said, the use cases are quite limited
      - cesarb 4y ago
        > Cool, but then what use is smartphone without internet access? It just becomes an oversized and inefficient clock. A phone. You can make and receive calls with it. And also SMS.
2rsf 4y ago
> The iphone 6 supports ios 15. That would be a 6s, the 6 supports only 12.5.6
jquery 4y ago
Why would someone refuse to update? Stolen iPhone comes to mind… Edit: keep in mind, in OP’s video they are refusing to update even after their device is essentially throwing its hands up and saying “upgrade or I’m a brick now” and they prefer the brick for some reason. The performance of a brick is pretty bad…
- zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
  I've put off updating Android before because the updated changed features I used and didn't add anything I cared about
- mihaaly 4y ago
  think a bit more...
- papruapap 4y ago
  Newer versions are usually slower than older ones (expected to be run on faster devices).
  - antihero 4y ago
    You can get a second gen SE for like £160 on eBay.
  - acdha 4y ago
    This hasn’t been true for years. Since like iOS 12 or so it tended to be the same or faster. The problem is that the first time it boots after an upgrade things like photo reindexing happen and that didn’t use to give you a warning, so people would say it’s slower and never retract that statement when the problem went away the next day.
    - skinnymuch 4y ago
      Older devices are def slower. I have an iPod Touch 5, iphone 6, iPhone 7, 8 Plus, SE 2020, 13 Pro, iPad 4, iPad Air 3, iPad Air 4. There’s differences with the older devices. They’re clearly slower. Starting with iPhone 8 Plus, it doesn’t matter as much.
darren_ 4y ago
I've mentioned this in another comment but: this update will permanently disable any 32 bit iOS apps you have on your device with no recourse or downgrade possible. So, reason not to update: you like using software you've paid for.
- jquery 4y ago
  I remember when iPhones first truly became useless if stolen. Tech support forums were filled with sob stories about why a particular person couldn’t activate their iPhone, begging for a secret bypass. They would make up sob stories because otherwise people would just call them a thief and ignore them. But the tech support forums usually called them a thief anyway because most of the time, they were, and part of the cost of ownership of these devices is keeping them up to date and remembering the activation password… Anyway I’m sharing this because the “my ancient unsupported 32 bit applications will fail”, while a minimally valid reason not to upgrade, reminds me a bit of the sob stories people would tell to get tech support for their stolen iPhones…
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >They would make up sob stories because otherwise people would just call them a thief and ignore them. You're being unfairly harsh here. Most likely they bought it off the second hand market because in many countries people can't afford the prices of new iPhones, and then realized it's a stolen phone.
    - Suzuran 4y ago
      When a thief fences stolen goods they don't magically become un-stolen.
      - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        Sure, but unless the police catches the crook an seizes their money then return it to the victims, then the person who unknowingly bought the stolen good can't magically un-buy it and get their money back.
dismantlethesun 4y ago
I have an older device. I had to delete all the apps, all the data and even then my iOS update failed due to lack of space. It’s only when I cleared the OS cache by doing a factory reset that I was able to update to iOS 15. This device was a spare I just use for reading ebooks but I imagine if it were my primary phone I would balk at deleting everything just to update the OS.
- closetohome 4y ago
  I mean...back it up to iCloud, wipe it, update it, restore from iCloud. It's inconvenient but it's not like you lose any data.
xtanx 4y ago
No. iphone 6s supports ios 15 [0]. iphone 6 supports up to ios 12 [1] [0] https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/supported-models-iphe3fa5df43/15.0/ios/15.0 https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/supported-models-iphe... [1] https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/supported-models-iphe3fa5df43/12.0/ios/12.0 https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/supported-models-iphe...

loloquwowndueo 4y ago

“Refuse to update” ? If the device otherwise works well why should one do this?

whynaut 4y ago
> utterly broken
sbuk 4y ago
In this case, to prevent oneself being locked out of one’s device.
mvanbaak 4y ago
security updates are important. and on a mobile device that's connected it's really important.
- mihaaly 4y ago
  it was so good if it was security update only and not f-ing up existing functionality - on top of poor security release fixes - and forcing on the user unrelated and never needed other things as well. this 'security' rasoning for update thing is a big fat lie! do security updates only then!
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - elzbardico 4y ago
    Most software nowadays is network centric and talk to other computers. Protocols evolve for reasons beyond security, and thus, updating your customer device is required to keep inter-operability
  - antihero 4y ago
    If they do security updates for obsolete versions of software this means a huge amount of resources testing and developing patches against it that could be spent improving current software.
    - mihaaly 4y ago
      Improving must mean here making even bigger and more complex pile of whatever, making it more vulnerable by complexity and new, barely tested or thought through new versions. We could live without that easily! They could divert resources from "improvements" easily then and consequently making the job of ensuring the quality of already sold vulnerable products to live up to the minimum standards! Testing much much less of existing and broadly distributed products by not making so many obsolete versions so rapidly, putting resources where it counts instead of flashy pile of superficial sh*t! Something truly and reliable useful at last!
  - acdha 4y ago
    Remember that in many cases security fixes involve architectural improvements. You can get those by installing the free system updates and those don’t break existing functionality so it’s understandable that they don’t double the workload by patching very old releases, especially since that’s paying more to have a slower phone with fewer features.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  security is both real, and potentially an infinite excuse to require new purchases, new validation, new terms of services and anything else that the party in control deems 'required', at any interval they can get away with...
jve 4y ago
Well, to decrease performance.
elzbardico 4y ago
Because it is not a standalone computer but a computer which is permanently connected to the internet and where most software was built specifically for connected use cases or where non-connected use-cases don’t even make sense. So, unless you’re using your old iPhone like an early 90’s PC without a modem or any other kind of networking it is perfectly reasonable to expect you to update it if you want it to talk to cloud services
- dzhiurgis 4y ago
  Nice segway into huge iOS gap - Lulu firewall -like ability to block apps and processes from internet access.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    Cool, but then what use is smartphone without internet access? It just becomes an oversized and inefficient clock. Especially, since on iPhones you can't easily sideload apps offline like you can on Android.
    - dzhiurgis 4y ago
      It's a normal security practice to prevent untrusted apps from calling home. The problem is Apple thinks you are ok to trust them after reviewing their binary code for 120 seconds.
    - hn92726819 4y ago
      They aren't saying disable internet for the whole phone. Just a select few apps. Some android roms have this feature (or rooted users can use AFwall) and it's amazing. You can install a game, block its internet, and the game can't track you, show you annoying ads, or show you full screen newsletters fetched from the internet. Edit: you already can disable internet for the whole phone just leave it on airplane mode for eternity. But as you said, the use cases are quite limited
    - cesarb 4y ago
      > Cool, but then what use is smartphone without internet access? It just becomes an oversized and inefficient clock. A phone. You can make and receive calls with it. And also SMS.

2rsf 4y ago

> The iphone 6 supports ios 15. That would be a 6s, the 6 supports only 12.5.6

jquery 4y ago

Why would someone refuse to update? Stolen iPhone comes to mind… Edit: keep in mind, in OP’s video they are refusing to update even after their device is essentially throwing its hands up and saying “upgrade or I’m a brick now” and they prefer the brick for some reason. The performance of a brick is pretty bad…

zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
I've put off updating Android before because the updated changed features I used and didn't add anything I cared about
mihaaly 4y ago
think a bit more...
papruapap 4y ago
Newer versions are usually slower than older ones (expected to be run on faster devices).
- antihero 4y ago
  You can get a second gen SE for like £160 on eBay.
- acdha 4y ago
  This hasn’t been true for years. Since like iOS 12 or so it tended to be the same or faster. The problem is that the first time it boots after an upgrade things like photo reindexing happen and that didn’t use to give you a warning, so people would say it’s slower and never retract that statement when the problem went away the next day.
  - skinnymuch 4y ago
    Older devices are def slower. I have an iPod Touch 5, iphone 6, iPhone 7, 8 Plus, SE 2020, 13 Pro, iPad 4, iPad Air 3, iPad Air 4. There’s differences with the older devices. They’re clearly slower. Starting with iPhone 8 Plus, it doesn’t matter as much.

darren_ 4y ago

I've mentioned this in another comment but: this update will permanently disable any 32 bit iOS apps you have on your device with no recourse or downgrade possible. So, reason not to update: you like using software you've paid for.

jquery 4y ago
I remember when iPhones first truly became useless if stolen. Tech support forums were filled with sob stories about why a particular person couldn’t activate their iPhone, begging for a secret bypass. They would make up sob stories because otherwise people would just call them a thief and ignore them. But the tech support forums usually called them a thief anyway because most of the time, they were, and part of the cost of ownership of these devices is keeping them up to date and remembering the activation password… Anyway I’m sharing this because the “my ancient unsupported 32 bit applications will fail”, while a minimally valid reason not to upgrade, reminds me a bit of the sob stories people would tell to get tech support for their stolen iPhones…
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >They would make up sob stories because otherwise people would just call them a thief and ignore them. You're being unfairly harsh here. Most likely they bought it off the second hand market because in many countries people can't afford the prices of new iPhones, and then realized it's a stolen phone.
  - Suzuran 4y ago
    When a thief fences stolen goods they don't magically become un-stolen.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      Sure, but unless the police catches the crook an seizes their money then return it to the victims, then the person who unknowingly bought the stolen good can't magically un-buy it and get their money back.

dismantlethesun 4y ago

I have an older device. I had to delete all the apps, all the data and even then my iOS update failed due to lack of space. It’s only when I cleared the OS cache by doing a factory reset that I was able to update to iOS 15. This device was a spare I just use for reading ebooks but I imagine if it were my primary phone I would balk at deleting everything just to update the OS.

closetohome 4y ago
I mean...back it up to iCloud, wipe it, update it, restore from iCloud. It's inconvenient but it's not like you lose any data.

xtanx 4y ago

No. iphone 6s supports ios 15 [0]. iphone 6 supports up to ios 12 [1] [0] https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/supported-models-iphe3fa5df43/15.0/ios/15.0 https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/supported-models-iphe... [1] https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/supported-models-iphe3fa5df43/12.0/ios/12.0 https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/supported-models-iphe...