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I've seen plenty of instances where if you dare to be critical of Palestine they straight up ban you for being a fascist capitalist pig. You can be as polite as

I've seen plenty of instances where if you dare to be critical of Palestine they straight up ban you for being a fascist capitalist pig. You can be as polite as possible, but if one of the rules is "fascists not welcome" they can just accuse you of being a fascist and ban you regardless of your arguments. I'm sure there are plenty of other instances that behave the same way according other areas of the political spectrum. This has just been my experience when I wanted to sign up 5 years ago, when most people using this platform were left leaning and tech savvy

morbidious 4y ago
If they don't want your opinions, forget it and join a like minded instance where they value your thoughts. You seem to be disappointed with the left-wing ideology, not Mastodon itself. Leftist will not tolerate anything other than what they think is right, so it's expected that they will ban everyone who doesn't share their mindset.
- AstixAndBelix 4y ago
  I explicitely said I used this as an example because it was my personal experience, but I'm sure this happens for every single politically charged Mastodon servers regardless of political leaning. I'm not disappointed with any ideology and this had nothing to do with politics. Please don't charge my opinion with ulterior motives
  - morbidious 4y ago
    Fair
- concho 4y ago
  > Leftist will not tolerate anything other than what they think is right, so it's expected that they will ban everyone who doesn't share their mindset. Not all leftists are like this. Some of us actively enjoy and even prefer discussing our political opinions with those who disagree. That said, I know the type of people you're referring to, and they tend to be insufferable to deal with.
  - morbidious 4y ago
    > Not all leftists are like this I suppose that's true.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    It's one thing to discuss political opinions with other people. However, there is a fine line that the far-right, TERFs and SWERFs easily cross - and that is denying other people their right to a self-determined existence or an existence at all.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
  - fleddr 4y ago
    Let's first appreciate the parent of your comment being down-voted for saying leftists don't take critique, confirming the point. In my experience, the insufferable ones tend to dominate communities, making the entire place unappetizing. You can see this effect on Mastodon too. A tiny group makes all the posts, and they have 100% ideological consistency. I think that's an effect much more important than arbitrary rules of an instance, because this happens before it. People aren't banned, they are discouraged from posting at all and become the silent majority.
    - pseudalopex 4y ago
      Lots of HN comments offend leftists and have high scores. The comment guidelines say don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle.
    - mjmsmith 4y ago
      If I post “Linux users won’t accept any criticism of Linux” and lots of Linux users downvote it for being hyperbolic nonsense, does this confirm the point?
- int_19h 4y ago
  This essay on free speech was written by one of the most prominent socialists in history: https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/the-freedom-of-the-press/ https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel...
constantcrying 4y ago
No doubt, but the sollution to that would be to use an instance which doesn't do things like that. Of course Mastadon instances usually do not federate with freezpeech = nazi instances, so ..c
Throwawayaerlei 4y ago
You should be careful about such "I'm sure" statements. "Right wing" Fediverse is very tolerant in moderation, that which results in bans, the only big issue is how much, if any pornography to allow and that gets fierce arguments. The big issue users might run into is harassment, but there are fine grained controls that allow you to trivially ignore or block such people going forward. Other issue which may not matter so much if you're "a fascist capitalist pig" is that your instance will likely be blocked by left wing Fediverse nodes. This can get silly, there are blocklists that often cite as cause nothing more than the software "right wing" nodes use, or in one case written by a particular developer. Too much of the Fediverse is that tribal. For a concrete example, look at how TERF spinster.xyz federates with "right wing" nodes and is blocked by many left wing ones, including all the ones I could look up just now with a Google search. I use scare quotes for right wing because many of these sites are politically neutral or thereabouts.

morbidious 4y ago

If they don't want your opinions, forget it and join a like minded instance where they value your thoughts. You seem to be disappointed with the left-wing ideology, not Mastodon itself. Leftist will not tolerate anything other than what they think is right, so it's expected that they will ban everyone who doesn't share their mindset.

AstixAndBelix 4y ago
I explicitely said I used this as an example because it was my personal experience, but I'm sure this happens for every single politically charged Mastodon servers regardless of political leaning. I'm not disappointed with any ideology and this had nothing to do with politics. Please don't charge my opinion with ulterior motives
- morbidious 4y ago
  Fair
concho 4y ago
> Leftist will not tolerate anything other than what they think is right, so it's expected that they will ban everyone who doesn't share their mindset. Not all leftists are like this. Some of us actively enjoy and even prefer discussing our political opinions with those who disagree. That said, I know the type of people you're referring to, and they tend to be insufferable to deal with.
- morbidious 4y ago
  > Not all leftists are like this I suppose that's true.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  It's one thing to discuss political opinions with other people. However, there is a fine line that the far-right, TERFs and SWERFs easily cross - and that is denying other people their right to a self-determined existence or an existence at all.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- fleddr 4y ago
  Let's first appreciate the parent of your comment being down-voted for saying leftists don't take critique, confirming the point. In my experience, the insufferable ones tend to dominate communities, making the entire place unappetizing. You can see this effect on Mastodon too. A tiny group makes all the posts, and they have 100% ideological consistency. I think that's an effect much more important than arbitrary rules of an instance, because this happens before it. People aren't banned, they are discouraged from posting at all and become the silent majority.
  - pseudalopex 4y ago
    Lots of HN comments offend leftists and have high scores. The comment guidelines say don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle.
  - mjmsmith 4y ago
    If I post “Linux users won’t accept any criticism of Linux” and lots of Linux users downvote it for being hyperbolic nonsense, does this confirm the point?
int_19h 4y ago
This essay on free speech was written by one of the most prominent socialists in history: https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/the-freedom-of-the-press/ https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel...

constantcrying 4y ago

No doubt, but the sollution to that would be to use an instance which doesn't do things like that. Of course Mastadon instances usually do not federate with freezpeech = nazi instances, so ..c

Throwawayaerlei 4y ago

You should be careful about such "I'm sure" statements. "Right wing" Fediverse is very tolerant in moderation, that which results in bans, the only big issue is how much, if any pornography to allow and that gets fierce arguments. The big issue users might run into is harassment, but there are fine grained controls that allow you to trivially ignore or block such people going forward. Other issue which may not matter so much if you're "a fascist capitalist pig" is that your instance will likely be blocked by left wing Fediverse nodes. This can get silly, there are blocklists that often cite as cause nothing more than the software "right wing" nodes use, or in one case written by a particular developer. Too much of the Fediverse is that tribal. For a concrete example, look at how TERF spinster.xyz federates with "right wing" nodes and is blocked by many left wing ones, including all the ones I could look up just now with a Google search. I use scare quotes for right wing because many of these sites are politically neutral or thereabouts.