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People in Afganistan, do not want to see progress in their country. Period. They chose this life of fanatism and hatred. They let the Taliban rule. All the mone

People in Afganistan, do not want to see progress in their country. Period. They chose this life of fanatism and hatred. They let the Taliban rule. All the money or support in the world cannot change that sadly.

willcipriano 4y ago
Let's not pretend we gave them a better option. To add some color (this isn't the only abuse but the most obvious one, particularly to western audiences): A tactic that the Taliban used to great effect was to lure collition aligned forces by having young boys stand on street corners and when the US backed Afghan police went to rape the child, ambush them. > "The Taliban are sending boys — beautiful boys, handsome boys — to penetrate checkpoints and kill, drug and poison policemen," said Ghulam Sakhi Rogh Lewanai, who was Uruzgan's police chief until he was removed in a security reshuffle in April amid worsening violence.[0] US servicemen have come home with PTSD, not from combat but having to share a hotel with US aligned Afghans and hearing young boys be repeatedly raped in the next room. Those who spoke up were punished.[1] Step into their shoes, a foreign invader installs pedophiles to run your government and rape your sons. You expect them to support it? Personally I'd start building IEDs. [0]https://www.businessinsider.com/afp-taliban-use-honey-trap-boys-to-kill-afghan-police-2016-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/afp-taliban-use-honey-trap-b... [1]https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/09/american-military-told-troops-to-ignore-afghan-allies-child-sex-abuse-called-bacha-bazi.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/09/american-militar... [additional reading]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  Additional citation: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/dancingboys/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/dancingboys/
throwntoday 4y ago
No, what they chose was to reject the western ideals that are leading to it's collapse. They rejected western control over their future. The only other option was the Taliban, which granted is not great, but better than what the west was pushing. The US has more failed states under it's belt than it does successes. Hard to believe they were actually trying to help given the track record and the past 20 years.
- willcipriano 4y ago
  Bin Laden was western oriented, when they raided his home they found lots of western media and books. I believe that if we had not stabbed them in the back during desert storm and instead took out Saddam as we promised Bin Laden could have risen as a fairly progressive (for lack of a better term) leader in the middle east.
logical_ferry 4y ago
These people are determined by their geography, history, internal tribal politics, external forces and religion. There is only so much an outsider can do. Best to just let them play out their destiny and keep an eye out so no new rogue players use them as a springboard.

willcipriano 4y ago

Let's not pretend we gave them a better option. To add some color (this isn't the only abuse but the most obvious one, particularly to western audiences): A tactic that the Taliban used to great effect was to lure collition aligned forces by having young boys stand on street corners and when the US backed Afghan police went to rape the child, ambush them. > "The Taliban are sending boys — beautiful boys, handsome boys — to penetrate checkpoints and kill, drug and poison policemen," said Ghulam Sakhi Rogh Lewanai, who was Uruzgan's police chief until he was removed in a security reshuffle in April amid worsening violence.[0] US servicemen have come home with PTSD, not from combat but having to share a hotel with US aligned Afghans and hearing young boys be repeatedly raped in the next room. Those who spoke up were punished.[1] Step into their shoes, a foreign invader installs pedophiles to run your government and rape your sons. You expect them to support it? Personally I'd start building IEDs. [0]https://www.businessinsider.com/afp-taliban-use-honey-trap-boys-to-kill-afghan-police-2016-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/afp-taliban-use-honey-trap-b... [1]https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/09/american-military-told-troops-to-ignore-afghan-allies-child-sex-abuse-called-bacha-bazi.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/09/american-militar... [additional reading]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

toomuchtodo 4y ago
Additional citation: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/dancingboys/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/dancingboys/

throwntoday 4y ago

No, what they chose was to reject the western ideals that are leading to it's collapse. They rejected western control over their future. The only other option was the Taliban, which granted is not great, but better than what the west was pushing. The US has more failed states under it's belt than it does successes. Hard to believe they were actually trying to help given the track record and the past 20 years.

willcipriano 4y ago
Bin Laden was western oriented, when they raided his home they found lots of western media and books. I believe that if we had not stabbed them in the back during desert storm and instead took out Saddam as we promised Bin Laden could have risen as a fairly progressive (for lack of a better term) leader in the middle east.

logical_ferry 4y ago

These people are determined by their geography, history, internal tribal politics, external forces and religion. There is only so much an outsider can do. Best to just let them play out their destiny and keep an eye out so no new rogue players use them as a springboard.