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Yeah, that's my theory as well: as long as there was a "socialist block", the capitalist countries felt some kind of obligation to demonstrate that capitalism c

by rob74 4y ago

Yeah, that's my theory as well: as long as there was a "socialist block", the capitalist countries felt some kind of obligation to demonstrate that capitalism could also care for the not-so-well-off. After that, it was back to capitalism's essence of the rich (the exploiters, if you want to use socialist jargon) getting richer and the poor (the exploited) getting poorer.

ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
Having a strong "socialist block" could easily have the reverse effect whereby political discourse is scared away from socialist ideas as they are considered to be evil communism (c.f. McCarthyism). I would consider that a lot of mainstream media (owned by rich and powerful people) has attempted to keep alive the idea that socialism is the enemy and needs to be fought against.
- hnfong 4y ago
  Yet slightly left-leaning policies wouldn't look as "communist" when there's actually a communist state in existence.
db48x 4y ago
This is so dumb. The entire history of “capitalism” is of the rich getting richer and the poor getting richer too.
- jk20 4y ago
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marketerinland 4y ago
They’ve been saying that the poor are getting poorer my entire life. Yet in my country, we’re healthier; longer living; and yes the average person is wealthier than ever before. It’s physically impossible for the poor to get poorer every year without a complete societal collapse. Yet people keep repeating this line.
- bjornsing 4y ago
  It has nothing to do with reality. It’s socialist jargon.
- bladelessninja2 4y ago
  Reading this topic, I'm so glad there are people who can see this, there is some hope in this nonsense I see around.
- HKH2 4y ago
  You're talking about absolute poverty and they're talking about relative poverty.
  - objetovoador 4y ago
    In many culture war debates there's a consistent theme of ignoring and/or discounting absolute figures and monomaniacally focusing on relative figures.
  - marketerinland 4y ago
    ‘The poor getting poorer’ refers to absolute poverty.

by rob74 4y ago

ndsipa_pomu 4y ago

Having a strong "socialist block" could easily have the reverse effect whereby political discourse is scared away from socialist ideas as they are considered to be evil communism (c.f. McCarthyism). I would consider that a lot of mainstream media (owned by rich and powerful people) has attempted to keep alive the idea that socialism is the enemy and needs to be fought against.

hnfong 4y ago
Yet slightly left-leaning policies wouldn't look as "communist" when there's actually a communist state in existence.

db48x 4y ago

This is so dumb. The entire history of “capitalism” is of the rich getting richer and the poor getting richer too.

jk20 4y ago
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marketerinland 4y ago

They’ve been saying that the poor are getting poorer my entire life. Yet in my country, we’re healthier; longer living; and yes the average person is wealthier than ever before. It’s physically impossible for the poor to get poorer every year without a complete societal collapse. Yet people keep repeating this line.

bjornsing 4y ago
It has nothing to do with reality. It’s socialist jargon.
bladelessninja2 4y ago
Reading this topic, I'm so glad there are people who can see this, there is some hope in this nonsense I see around.
HKH2 4y ago
You're talking about absolute poverty and they're talking about relative poverty.
- objetovoador 4y ago
  In many culture war debates there's a consistent theme of ignoring and/or discounting absolute figures and monomaniacally focusing on relative figures.
- marketerinland 4y ago
  ‘The poor getting poorer’ refers to absolute poverty.