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“130 calories? That’s so expensive." That's exactly how I came to lose all the weight I have - I started counting calories which caused me to treat it like a b

“130 calories? That’s so expensive." That's exactly how I came to lose all the weight I have - I started counting calories which caused me to treat it like a budget. I never deprived myself of what I wanted, but new if I splurged on supper I'd not be able to do as much dessert.

Waterluvian 4y ago
My favourite part of it is that it’s so simple you can barely call it a system. The diet industry/community really disinterests me because there is so much complexity.
- andreareina 4y ago
  Unfortunately the simple thing is hard. To the extent that every system that isn’t counting calories works, it works by manipulating appetite and satiety to induce a spontaneous reduction in consumption. People will jump through all sorts of hoops to not feel deprived.
- mkraft 4y ago
  Imagine trying to reign in spending without a budget by drinking lots of water to avoid buying starbucks and other similar indirect tricks. Without the budget you’d easily overspend. This is how I think of calorie counting as the only proper way and other diets as inefficient indirections.
- TeMPOraL 4y ago
  This method is simple, and works well enough for enough people, but it doesn't for some. I still kind of agree with you, because I have a sneaking suspicion that people mostly cluster into groups of "any diet / intervention works" and "none of them work". Unfortunately, the body itself is a complex system, and likes to throw curve-balls. Going by some of the things I've read over the years, it's clear the body has defense mechanisms against starvation - such as lowering metabolism and activity levels in lock step with diminished caloric input, or turning you into food-obsessed zombie, hardly capable of a non-food-related thought, until you feed the body enough to cancel red alert. Problem is, for some people, those defense mechanisms seem to kick in before they reach negative energy balance. As simple as calorie counting is, it's not helpful if the body hits the "override" switch before you reach Calories In < Calories Out. I don't know if there's a solution for this case, but I suspect all the variety of diets is really just people doing a blind search in hopes of finding specific tricks that shut down the defense mechanism in subgroups of individuals. (In a sense it's like a puzzle game: your goal is to sneak past a security system without raising an alarm. The security system consists of a great variety of sensors of all kinds - but only a random subset of them are in use, configured with random thresholds. Every player gets their own, unique puzzle.)
  - bumby 4y ago
    A lot of eating is habitual, driven by social cues etc. E.g., anyone who is used to eating breakfast but skips it one day will feel like they are "starving", but if they skip it for two weeks they no longer get that hungry feeling in the morning because your body is no longer habitualized to release ghrelin at the same time. >lowering metabolism I believe this has been debunked. Your calories out is a function of calories in (e.g., protein takes more energy to metabolize than, say, glucose), but your body doesn't really downregulate it's metabolism the way it's been touted in the past. >search in hopes of finding specific tricks that shut down IMO, what consistently works is whatever "tricks" you use to reduce calories below what you burn. For some people, it's eliminating meat. For others, it's eating nothing but meat. For others, it's a flexible approach as long as they count calories. But the main commonality seems to be the reduction of calories (and movement away from the standard american diet).
- raverbashing 4y ago
  Yeah, I feel like it's "complicated" only if you DGAF about what you eat The nutrition info is "in your face" for a reason. Use it. How many calories on that bag of chips? On that big cookie you ate? On that fast food sandwich/burger? On that soda which is 100% empty calories with a high GI? The biggest fraud in nutrition has been replacing high-caloric food that actually help with satiety (high protein/"high" fat/high fiber content) with sugary crap
- throw0101c 4y ago
  > My favourite part of it is that it’s so simple you can barely call it a system. Simply ≠ easy. What to slow/stop/reverse climate change? Simple: "just" reduce carbon output.
elzbardico 4y ago
Counting calories helped me with adding more greens to my diet. I found out that I could start lunch (which is my main feeding event) with a healthy portion of lettuce salad and then eat more moderate portions of carbohydrates and meat as my main course and still feel satiated.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  Yeah, my personal rule was that fruit and veg were free.

Waterluvian 4y ago

My favourite part of it is that it’s so simple you can barely call it a system. The diet industry/community really disinterests me because there is so much complexity.

andreareina 4y ago
Unfortunately the simple thing is hard. To the extent that every system that isn’t counting calories works, it works by manipulating appetite and satiety to induce a spontaneous reduction in consumption. People will jump through all sorts of hoops to not feel deprived.
mkraft 4y ago
Imagine trying to reign in spending without a budget by drinking lots of water to avoid buying starbucks and other similar indirect tricks. Without the budget you’d easily overspend. This is how I think of calorie counting as the only proper way and other diets as inefficient indirections.
TeMPOraL 4y ago
This method is simple, and works well enough for enough people, but it doesn't for some. I still kind of agree with you, because I have a sneaking suspicion that people mostly cluster into groups of "any diet / intervention works" and "none of them work". Unfortunately, the body itself is a complex system, and likes to throw curve-balls. Going by some of the things I've read over the years, it's clear the body has defense mechanisms against starvation - such as lowering metabolism and activity levels in lock step with diminished caloric input, or turning you into food-obsessed zombie, hardly capable of a non-food-related thought, until you feed the body enough to cancel red alert. Problem is, for some people, those defense mechanisms seem to kick in before they reach negative energy balance. As simple as calorie counting is, it's not helpful if the body hits the "override" switch before you reach Calories In < Calories Out. I don't know if there's a solution for this case, but I suspect all the variety of diets is really just people doing a blind search in hopes of finding specific tricks that shut down the defense mechanism in subgroups of individuals. (In a sense it's like a puzzle game: your goal is to sneak past a security system without raising an alarm. The security system consists of a great variety of sensors of all kinds - but only a random subset of them are in use, configured with random thresholds. Every player gets their own, unique puzzle.)
- bumby 4y ago
  A lot of eating is habitual, driven by social cues etc. E.g., anyone who is used to eating breakfast but skips it one day will feel like they are "starving", but if they skip it for two weeks they no longer get that hungry feeling in the morning because your body is no longer habitualized to release ghrelin at the same time. >lowering metabolism I believe this has been debunked. Your calories out is a function of calories in (e.g., protein takes more energy to metabolize than, say, glucose), but your body doesn't really downregulate it's metabolism the way it's been touted in the past. >search in hopes of finding specific tricks that shut down IMO, what consistently works is whatever "tricks" you use to reduce calories below what you burn. For some people, it's eliminating meat. For others, it's eating nothing but meat. For others, it's a flexible approach as long as they count calories. But the main commonality seems to be the reduction of calories (and movement away from the standard american diet).
raverbashing 4y ago
Yeah, I feel like it's "complicated" only if you DGAF about what you eat The nutrition info is "in your face" for a reason. Use it. How many calories on that bag of chips? On that big cookie you ate? On that fast food sandwich/burger? On that soda which is 100% empty calories with a high GI? The biggest fraud in nutrition has been replacing high-caloric food that actually help with satiety (high protein/"high" fat/high fiber content) with sugary crap
throw0101c 4y ago
> My favourite part of it is that it’s so simple you can barely call it a system. Simply ≠ easy. What to slow/stop/reverse climate change? Simple: "just" reduce carbon output.

elzbardico 4y ago

Counting calories helped me with adding more greens to my diet. I found out that I could start lunch (which is my main feeding event) with a healthy portion of lettuce salad and then eat more moderate portions of carbohydrates and meat as my main course and still feel satiated.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
Yeah, my personal rule was that fruit and veg were free.