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They tried. Gorbachev wanted to turn Russia into another Sweden. Bush the Elder convinced the World Bank not to loan to them unless they agreed to impose neol

They tried. Gorbachev wanted to turn Russia into another Sweden. Bush the Elder convinced the World Bank not to loan to them unless they agreed to impose neoliberal economic policies. Which led to oligarchy. And then Putin.

taxicabjesus 4y ago
What is "And then Putin" supposed to mean? Perhaps you mean that Mr. Putin is implementing Gorbachev's goal of "turning Russia into another Sweden", which was blocked by Bush the Elder and the collective west's looting of Russia in the post-Soviet period? My dad hates Mr. Putin because the television tells him Putin is a war criminal. Other sources say Mr. Putin is the moderate who keeps the extremists in the Kremlin under control. That Russia fought in Ukraine with 9 fingers tied behind its back until it realized that there was no way to get the West to respect Russia's red line of Ukraine not being admitted into NATO. Someone on twitter said Russia's transition from 'preserve Ukraine's Soviet-era infrastructure' to 'destroy NATO's proxy army' was in September [0]. Russia didn't gave Ukraine's power grid the "shock and awe" treatment until November. [0] https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/turning-point https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/turning-point & various tweets - https://twitter.com/imetatronink https://twitter.com/imetatronink "[Putin] was a Lt. Col doing a mundane job in Dresden, Germany when the wall came down. He came back to St. Petersburg, Unemployed. He drove a taxi for a while. Got a job with Mayor Sochek's office, and anybody who dealt with him... said he was the most honest man he ever dealt with. ... He inherited a nation that had just undergone a decade of devastation, brought on by the west. But did he hate the west? No. He actually started his first years in office, trying to court the west, trying to come up with normalcy in economic relations. ... 2007 speech to the Munich security conference... The reality that the west is anti-Russia." Scott Riter, https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/status/1583749384486891520 https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/status/1583749384486891520 (emphasis added) "Vladimir Putin is a Russian patriot, a moderate European-leaning leader who rescued Russia from the abyss. in Russia, he is not considered charismatic. He is supported because of Russia's economic and spiritual recovery. The Neocons hate Putin because they hate Russia." - https://twitter.com/DietHeartNews/status/1605275170138214425 https://twitter.com/DietHeartNews/status/1605275170138214425 Thought this video on Putin was interesting: https://rumble.com/vxm7sv-president-2015-documentary.html https://rumble.com/vxm7sv-president-2015-documentary.html Just curious what you meant.
- Panzer04 4y ago
  It's a shame he blew all that up, then. Whatever he might have been before, it doesn't really matter now.
- Jataman606 4y ago
  Your "source" is calling Zelensky "the Imperial Puppet" and "comedian"[0], which makes me think it's probably even more biased towards Russia than western media are towards Ukraine. [0] https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1605389284369784832 https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1605389284369784832
  - taxicabjesus 4y ago
    My understanding is Ukraine was ready to negotiate with Russia by April 2022. Boris Johnson, the former UK prime minister, went to visit [0] around April 9 2022. Thenceforth Zelensky seems to have understood that Ukraine was to fight to the last Ukrainian. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/09/boris-johnson-meets-volodymyr-zelenskiy-in-unannounced-visit-to-kyiv https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/09/boris-johns...
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      What actually happened is Ukraine retook Bucha and then when Ukraine saw what Russians did k Bucha they decided negotiations were over. I don’t blame them either why would you negotiate with the army that’s raping and torturing your civilians?. There’s no point to negotiation with Russia anyway they don’t abide by international agreements unless it benefits them and even they may break them later. Any peace outside of an absolute Russian defeat would be temporary and just allow Russia to invade again later.
      - sysoleg 4y ago
        Zelensky after Bucha ("No Other Choice Than To Talk"): https://www.rferl.org/a/un-zelenskiy-war-crimes-bucha/31786382.html https://www.rferl.org/a/un-zelenskiy-war-crimes-bucha/317863...

taxicabjesus 4y ago

What is "And then Putin" supposed to mean? Perhaps you mean that Mr. Putin is implementing Gorbachev's goal of "turning Russia into another Sweden", which was blocked by Bush the Elder and the collective west's looting of Russia in the post-Soviet period? My dad hates Mr. Putin because the television tells him Putin is a war criminal. Other sources say Mr. Putin is the moderate who keeps the extremists in the Kremlin under control. That Russia fought in Ukraine with 9 fingers tied behind its back until it realized that there was no way to get the West to respect Russia's red line of Ukraine not being admitted into NATO. Someone on twitter said Russia's transition from 'preserve Ukraine's Soviet-era infrastructure' to 'destroy NATO's proxy army' was in September [0]. Russia didn't gave Ukraine's power grid the "shock and awe" treatment until November. [0] https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/turning-point https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/turning-point & various tweets - https://twitter.com/imetatronink https://twitter.com/imetatronink "[Putin] was a Lt. Col doing a mundane job in Dresden, Germany when the wall came down. He came back to St. Petersburg, Unemployed. He drove a taxi for a while. Got a job with Mayor Sochek's office, and anybody who dealt with him... said he was the most honest man he ever dealt with. ... He inherited a nation that had just undergone a decade of devastation, brought on by the west. But did he hate the west? No. He actually started his first years in office, trying to court the west, trying to come up with normalcy in economic relations. ... 2007 speech to the Munich security conference... The reality that the west is anti-Russia." Scott Riter, https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/status/1583749384486891520 https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/status/1583749384486891520 (emphasis added) "Vladimir Putin is a Russian patriot, a moderate European-leaning leader who rescued Russia from the abyss. in Russia, he is not considered charismatic. He is supported because of Russia's economic and spiritual recovery. The Neocons hate Putin because they hate Russia." - https://twitter.com/DietHeartNews/status/1605275170138214425 https://twitter.com/DietHeartNews/status/1605275170138214425 Thought this video on Putin was interesting: https://rumble.com/vxm7sv-president-2015-documentary.html https://rumble.com/vxm7sv-president-2015-documentary.html Just curious what you meant.

Panzer04 4y ago
It's a shame he blew all that up, then. Whatever he might have been before, it doesn't really matter now.
Jataman606 4y ago
Your "source" is calling Zelensky "the Imperial Puppet" and "comedian"[0], which makes me think it's probably even more biased towards Russia than western media are towards Ukraine. [0] https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1605389284369784832 https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1605389284369784832
- taxicabjesus 4y ago
  My understanding is Ukraine was ready to negotiate with Russia by April 2022. Boris Johnson, the former UK prime minister, went to visit [0] around April 9 2022. Thenceforth Zelensky seems to have understood that Ukraine was to fight to the last Ukrainian. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/09/boris-johnson-meets-volodymyr-zelenskiy-in-unannounced-visit-to-kyiv https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/09/boris-johns...
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    What actually happened is Ukraine retook Bucha and then when Ukraine saw what Russians did k Bucha they decided negotiations were over. I don’t blame them either why would you negotiate with the army that’s raping and torturing your civilians?. There’s no point to negotiation with Russia anyway they don’t abide by international agreements unless it benefits them and even they may break them later. Any peace outside of an absolute Russian defeat would be temporary and just allow Russia to invade again later.
    - sysoleg 4y ago
      Zelensky after Bucha ("No Other Choice Than To Talk"): https://www.rferl.org/a/un-zelenskiy-war-crimes-bucha/31786382.html https://www.rferl.org/a/un-zelenskiy-war-crimes-bucha/317863...