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How about exploring how ignoring users causes rapid losses in browser market share? It feels like Mozilla does EVERYTHING except improving Firefox.

ciupicri 4y ago
Just this evening I was complaining to a friend that top show 150% CPU usage for Firefox and I don't know the reason because both about:performance and about:processes are useless. They weren't telling me look this horrible site is using up your CPU. My friend's response? Use Chromium.
- kbrosnan 4y ago
  Try the profiler. https://profiler.firefox.com/docs/#/./guide-getting-started?id=capture-a-profile https://profiler.firefox.com/docs/#/./guide-getting-started?...
  - ciupicri 4y ago
    If I'm not mistaking that's for investigating a single tab, while I have thousands of tabs with various websites.
    - kbrosnan 4y ago
      That can profile the whole browser as a unit. It does try to record only active threads. There are ways to set it to record everything. https://chat.mozilla.org/?#/room/#perfteam:mozilla.org https://chat.mozilla.org/?#/room/#perfteam:mozilla.org is good place to access the people who know more about the profiler than I.
tpush 4y ago
Do we need this same type of comment on every single post about Mozilla/Firefox? Does it not get tiring after a while? Because they are definitely tiring to read.
- drusepth 4y ago
  Well, the comment is about Firefox not improving their browser and instead doing other things; I imagine the comments will continue until Firefox commits to improving their browser instead of doing other things.
  - tpush 4y ago
    Firefox is obviously being improved all the time, and also obviously an org can do many different things at the same time. Yet you still have a fire hose of these comments on every Mozilla/Firefox thread. Like, what do these commenters think they're doing? Just venting that their pet issues of FOSS isn't being worked on? What's that supposed to accomplish? What normal human being reads such a comment and goes like 'oh yeah thanks rude asshole commenters, I get right on fixing that!'?? I don't want HN threads to be just endlessly and breathlessly complaining about people not doing shit they want. Pay up or do it yourself.
    - dmitrygr 4y ago
      It is as close to an intervention as we can come. We are friends of firefox, yet again reminding it that we love it, but all love has limits, and Firefox is approaching the limits of our love. If it does not change its direction soon, it will be all alone out in the cold.
- transcriptase 4y ago
  What’s tiring for some of us is seeing Mozilla make several announcements a year about projects nobody cares about except whoever came up with the idea and their social circle. From the outside the organization seems to be full of people looking to use the resources of a non-profit to launch something, valuable or not, then use the name recognition on their CV as a springboard.
culi 4y ago
Tbh, I'm not really sure what you mean. The Firefox browser seems really solid. It passes most all benchmarks on WPT. It's also very focused on compatibility which chrome and safari often have problems with. There's plenty of stuff (e.g. grid) that they've been ahead of the curve on. As a developer I can also say that the FF devtools are by far my favorite to use What exactly is the issue with FF? I think their loss of market share has a lot more to do with exactly the stuff you're telling them not to focus on. The competitors have OSes (e.g. macOS, Android, Windows, ChromeOS) that heavily push defaults or sometimes even force it (e.g. iOS). For browsers like FF, Opera, or Brave, there's already a bar of people having to go out of their way to download them. They have a "third party" feel to them
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Firefox is doomed to fail no matter what. FF succeeded because built in browsers sucked. Now they don’t suck so users have no reason to switch them.
  - culi 4y ago
    Built-in browsers will suck again. It's kind of inevitable. Look at Chrome and manifest v3. Inevitably what happens when a company has such a strong monopoly is a recession or downturn comes along and the first thing they cut/deprioritize is the thing they see no threat in losing market dominance in

ciupicri 4y ago

Just this evening I was complaining to a friend that top show 150% CPU usage for Firefox and I don't know the reason because both about:performance and about:processes are useless. They weren't telling me look this horrible site is using up your CPU. My friend's response? Use Chromium.

kbrosnan 4y ago
Try the profiler. https://profiler.firefox.com/docs/#/./guide-getting-started?id=capture-a-profile https://profiler.firefox.com/docs/#/./guide-getting-started?...
- ciupicri 4y ago
  If I'm not mistaking that's for investigating a single tab, while I have thousands of tabs with various websites.
  - kbrosnan 4y ago
    That can profile the whole browser as a unit. It does try to record only active threads. There are ways to set it to record everything. https://chat.mozilla.org/?#/room/#perfteam:mozilla.org https://chat.mozilla.org/?#/room/#perfteam:mozilla.org is good place to access the people who know more about the profiler than I.

tpush 4y ago

Do we need this same type of comment on every single post about Mozilla/Firefox? Does it not get tiring after a while? Because they are definitely tiring to read.

drusepth 4y ago
Well, the comment is about Firefox not improving their browser and instead doing other things; I imagine the comments will continue until Firefox commits to improving their browser instead of doing other things.
- tpush 4y ago
  Firefox is obviously being improved all the time, and also obviously an org can do many different things at the same time. Yet you still have a fire hose of these comments on every Mozilla/Firefox thread. Like, what do these commenters think they're doing? Just venting that their pet issues of FOSS isn't being worked on? What's that supposed to accomplish? What normal human being reads such a comment and goes like 'oh yeah thanks rude asshole commenters, I get right on fixing that!'?? I don't want HN threads to be just endlessly and breathlessly complaining about people not doing shit they want. Pay up or do it yourself.
  - dmitrygr 4y ago
    It is as close to an intervention as we can come. We are friends of firefox, yet again reminding it that we love it, but all love has limits, and Firefox is approaching the limits of our love. If it does not change its direction soon, it will be all alone out in the cold.
transcriptase 4y ago
What’s tiring for some of us is seeing Mozilla make several announcements a year about projects nobody cares about except whoever came up with the idea and their social circle. From the outside the organization seems to be full of people looking to use the resources of a non-profit to launch something, valuable or not, then use the name recognition on their CV as a springboard.

culi 4y ago

Tbh, I'm not really sure what you mean. The Firefox browser seems really solid. It passes most all benchmarks on WPT. It's also very focused on compatibility which chrome and safari often have problems with. There's plenty of stuff (e.g. grid) that they've been ahead of the curve on. As a developer I can also say that the FF devtools are by far my favorite to use What exactly is the issue with FF? I think their loss of market share has a lot more to do with exactly the stuff you're telling them not to focus on. The competitors have OSes (e.g. macOS, Android, Windows, ChromeOS) that heavily push defaults or sometimes even force it (e.g. iOS). For browsers like FF, Opera, or Brave, there's already a bar of people having to go out of their way to download them. They have a "third party" feel to them

Gigachad 4y ago
Firefox is doomed to fail no matter what. FF succeeded because built in browsers sucked. Now they don’t suck so users have no reason to switch them.
- culi 4y ago
  Built-in browsers will suck again. It's kind of inevitable. Look at Chrome and manifest v3. Inevitably what happens when a company has such a strong monopoly is a recession or downturn comes along and the first thing they cut/deprioritize is the thing they see no threat in losing market dominance in