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Straw man.

anon291 4y ago
You claim a right to life implies a right to death, without any reasoning. I've pointed out why that doesn't follow (namely, the notion that one has a right to live is predicated on one being alive. You don't have rights after death). I've also pointed out that we have other rights that you cannot dispose yourself of to show that the right to life is of the same nature. What is your rebuttal?
- shanebellone 4y ago
  You're comparing property law to bodily autonomy. How can I take you seriously?
  - anon291 4y ago
    No I'm comparing the right to liberty with the right to life. Both are about bodily autonomy. Euthanasia is the giving up of the right to life. I'm pointing out we don't tolerate any giving up of a right to liberty, period. You can be declared insane and have rights taken away... you cannot willingly say 'i'm giving up my right to be free.' By your reckoning that our rights extend so far as to also include abdicating them... we ought to tolerate giving one's freedom to someone else. If we want to ignore the monetary element, consider if you would be okay with someone signing over their labor to someone else in perpetuity as a charitable work. Would you allow such a thing? Why not? We're not talking about property now.
    - shanebellone 4y ago
      - In states with Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground laws, you are not obligated to draw your own weapon, despite having the right to do so. You can opt to die rather than kill. - You can also opt out of treatment and receive terminal care.
      - anon291 4y ago
        Neither of those are choosing to kill oneself. Choosing to accept one's fate or to not fight is just that. Choosing to off oneself before an intruder has the chance to kill you or choosing to euthanize yourself are active choices. You cannot honestly conflate active choice with passive acceptance of fate.
        shanebellone 4y ago
        "Fate" is a social construct that has no relevance in this discussion. You also define action and reaction arbitrarily. We always have choices. Your superstitions should not impact my life. I will not respond again.

Straw man.

You claim a right to life implies a right to death, without any reasoning. I've pointed out why that doesn't follow (namely, the notion that one has a right to live is predicated on one being alive. You don't have rights after death). I've also pointed out that we have other rights that you cannot dispose yourself of to show that the right to life is of the same nature. What is your rebuttal?

shanebellone 4y ago
You're comparing property law to bodily autonomy. How can I take you seriously?
- anon291 4y ago
  No I'm comparing the right to liberty with the right to life. Both are about bodily autonomy. Euthanasia is the giving up of the right to life. I'm pointing out we don't tolerate any giving up of a right to liberty, period. You can be declared insane and have rights taken away... you cannot willingly say 'i'm giving up my right to be free.' By your reckoning that our rights extend so far as to also include abdicating them... we ought to tolerate giving one's freedom to someone else. If we want to ignore the monetary element, consider if you would be okay with someone signing over their labor to someone else in perpetuity as a charitable work. Would you allow such a thing? Why not? We're not talking about property now.
  - shanebellone 4y ago
    - In states with Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground laws, you are not obligated to draw your own weapon, despite having the right to do so. You can opt to die rather than kill. - You can also opt out of treatment and receive terminal care.
    - anon291 4y ago
      Neither of those are choosing to kill oneself. Choosing to accept one's fate or to not fight is just that. Choosing to off oneself before an intruder has the chance to kill you or choosing to euthanize yourself are active choices. You cannot honestly conflate active choice with passive acceptance of fate.
      - shanebellone 4y ago
        "Fate" is a social construct that has no relevance in this discussion. You also define action and reaction arbitrarily. We always have choices. Your superstitions should not impact my life. I will not respond again.