Yup. I asked for an OG intel cheese-grater at an old job. The boss blinked and said something along the lines of "we're not spending that kind of money for you

Yup. I asked for an OG intel cheese-grater at an old job. The boss blinked and said something along the lines of "we're not spending that kind of money for your system" and I pointed out that with 16gb of ram but otherwise base config, it was about the same price and a much better deal performance-wise than a Macbook Pro. Xeons versus an intel mobile i5, and the widest/fastest memory bus around at the time? No contest. The water-cooled ones were an absolute shitshow...Apple was pushing the edge too hard on that. AIO coolers are still kinda hit-or-miss (the good, well-made ones are fine.)