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Flip it round. If the Trump White House had ordered social media to suppress reports about their involvement with russia, would that be "ho hum that just happen

Flip it round. If the Trump White House had ordered social media to suppress reports about their involvement with russia, would that be "ho hum that just happens?" It's not just the penis; it's the emails detailing "10% for the big guy". Just like it wasn't the "pee tape," but the komprmat; right?

mind-blight 4y ago
We're those emails actually scrubbed from Twitter though? My understanding is that the scrubbed material was actual photos of his genitals. It's have no problem with Trump getting the actual "pee tape" scrubbed. I definitely have a problem of discussion of it is scrubbed
- mjthrowaway1 4y ago
  They temp banned the whitehouse press secretary for linking to the NYpost article about the Hunter laptop.
  - lesuorac 4y ago
    They didn't do so because the White House told them to. They also only did so for ~24h during which Fox News didn't even run the story because even they thought it might be fake. Which is less of a stance than twitter took. Twitter just disallowed pointing links to the NYPost article for 24h but you were free to talk about the content on twitter.
jacquesm 4y ago
Yes, let's flip it around: what do you think are the chances that if such evidence was present that it would have been released to the journalists doing their 'investigation'?
- throwaway23597 4y ago
  Uh, extremely high? It just wouldn't be Musk doing the evidence releasing, instead it would be leaks from other employees.
- constantcrying 4y ago
  >what do you think are the chances that if such evidence was present that it would have been released to the journalists doing their 'investigation'? With a 100% chance it would have been broadcasted by Twitter to the entire world, from where it would have been become the biggest "news story" of the months. Journalists would have unanimously declared solidarity with twitter, lawsuits would have been launched and investigations would have been performed. Do you actually believe that anybody on Twitter would have taken it and covered it up that Trump was forcing them to censor? What world do you live in?
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    First, the Twitter files show that the Trump administration did make requests to Twitter. Of course old Twitter didn’t let us know, so your hypothetical is already disproven by the world we do live in. We still don’t know what those requests were because (tellingly) Musk won’t disclose those. Also remember that for as much as conservatives say that Twitter is a bastion of left wing thought, Trump was permitted on the platform even though he repeatedly violated the TOS. He was treated better than most any Twitter user up until he used the platform to stage an attempted coup against the US government. So not only was Twitter protecting him, the bar for taking action against him was astronomically high. Moreover, Trump didn’t have to use Twitter to suppress the Russia investigation; he obstructed justice and then his hand-picked attorney general used the DOJ to run interference on the Mueller report, which mainstream media credulously accepted. That’s far worse than anything alleged in the so-called Twitter files, but you didn’t see Republicans mad at the DOJ for that. This is why their current indignation over the Twitter Files rings so hollow. If the FBI is really acting politically through Twitter, part of the cause must be the politicization of the DOJ under Trump administration, which was gleefully used as a political tool for 4 years. You’ll never see that level of self-reflection though. So my answer to the original question of “do these files contain valuable information?” is: maybe, but if you expect the people who are maddest about the Twitter Files to actually fix anything they allege, that would be like thinking Elon Musk is the guy to bring free speech to Twitter; the people who are the maddest are hypocrites only mad that this tactic is being used against them. They will happily use this tactic against others once they have power (all the while suggesting they will fix the issue). And we know this because they did exactly that from 2016 to 2020.
jasonhansel 4y ago
You do know that most of this happened during the Trump administration, when Trump was ultimately in control of the FBI, right?
- h2odragon 4y ago
  Well that's kindof the question, ain't it? Is anyone in control of the FBI? If so, they appear to be unconcerned about things like the limits to their powers articulated in the Constitution.

mind-blight 4y ago

We're those emails actually scrubbed from Twitter though? My understanding is that the scrubbed material was actual photos of his genitals. It's have no problem with Trump getting the actual "pee tape" scrubbed. I definitely have a problem of discussion of it is scrubbed

mjthrowaway1 4y ago
They temp banned the whitehouse press secretary for linking to the NYpost article about the Hunter laptop.
- lesuorac 4y ago
  They didn't do so because the White House told them to. They also only did so for ~24h during which Fox News didn't even run the story because even they thought it might be fake. Which is less of a stance than twitter took. Twitter just disallowed pointing links to the NYPost article for 24h but you were free to talk about the content on twitter.

jacquesm 4y ago

Yes, let's flip it around: what do you think are the chances that if such evidence was present that it would have been released to the journalists doing their 'investigation'?

throwaway23597 4y ago
Uh, extremely high? It just wouldn't be Musk doing the evidence releasing, instead it would be leaks from other employees.
constantcrying 4y ago
>what do you think are the chances that if such evidence was present that it would have been released to the journalists doing their 'investigation'? With a 100% chance it would have been broadcasted by Twitter to the entire world, from where it would have been become the biggest "news story" of the months. Journalists would have unanimously declared solidarity with twitter, lawsuits would have been launched and investigations would have been performed. Do you actually believe that anybody on Twitter would have taken it and covered it up that Trump was forcing them to censor? What world do you live in?
- ModernMech 4y ago
  First, the Twitter files show that the Trump administration did make requests to Twitter. Of course old Twitter didn’t let us know, so your hypothetical is already disproven by the world we do live in. We still don’t know what those requests were because (tellingly) Musk won’t disclose those. Also remember that for as much as conservatives say that Twitter is a bastion of left wing thought, Trump was permitted on the platform even though he repeatedly violated the TOS. He was treated better than most any Twitter user up until he used the platform to stage an attempted coup against the US government. So not only was Twitter protecting him, the bar for taking action against him was astronomically high. Moreover, Trump didn’t have to use Twitter to suppress the Russia investigation; he obstructed justice and then his hand-picked attorney general used the DOJ to run interference on the Mueller report, which mainstream media credulously accepted. That’s far worse than anything alleged in the so-called Twitter files, but you didn’t see Republicans mad at the DOJ for that. This is why their current indignation over the Twitter Files rings so hollow. If the FBI is really acting politically through Twitter, part of the cause must be the politicization of the DOJ under Trump administration, which was gleefully used as a political tool for 4 years. You’ll never see that level of self-reflection though. So my answer to the original question of “do these files contain valuable information?” is: maybe, but if you expect the people who are maddest about the Twitter Files to actually fix anything they allege, that would be like thinking Elon Musk is the guy to bring free speech to Twitter; the people who are the maddest are hypocrites only mad that this tactic is being used against them. They will happily use this tactic against others once they have power (all the while suggesting they will fix the issue). And we know this because they did exactly that from 2016 to 2020.

jasonhansel 4y ago

You do know that most of this happened during the Trump administration, when Trump was ultimately in control of the FBI, right?

h2odragon 4y ago
Well that's kindof the question, ain't it? Is anyone in control of the FBI? If so, they appear to be unconcerned about things like the limits to their powers articulated in the Constitution.