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TL;DR: - author has a new MBP, comes from PC background - MBP experiences unusually loud fan noises - other mac users tell him there's something wrong with h

by enko 15y ago

TL;DR: - author has a new MBP, comes from PC background - MBP experiences unusually loud fan noises - other mac users tell him there's something wrong with his computer, or maybe it's something he's doing - author gets oddly defensive and interprets these suggestions as meaning that it is "his fault" and that mac users have all been brainwashed to say that If that summary makes you say, "huh?", well that was pretty much my reaction as well. Dude, when people say it's "your fault" the fans are loud, they don't mean it's because you're a bad person and god hates you and wants your fans to be loud, it means you are perhaps running some very CPU intensive process or something.

SquareWheel 15y ago
I didn't get the impression he took personal offense at all. He was also clear that he was not running CPU intensive tasks, just Safari with a Google Spreadsheet open.
- MaysonL 15y ago
  I have seen both Safari and Google Javascript do CPU intensive things at the strangest times.
  - josteink 15y ago
    You mean it is obviously anything apart from the Macbook itself maybe having a loud fan noise. I think I have read an article about this sort of behaviour and reasoning somewhere.
    - MaysonL 15y ago
      Anybody who's heard one at full blast knows that the MacBook and MBPro have loud fans - that's not in dispute. What's unknown is the proximate cause of it turning on.
fpgeek 15y ago
Even some Apple enthusiasts have noticed heat and fan noise issues with recent MacBook Pros: http://www.marco.org/2011/09/20/heat-and-fan-issues-with-2011-15-inch-macbook-pro http://www.marco.org/2011/09/20/heat-and-fan-issues-with-201... More generally, I think you're underlining the author's point. I'd say there are three obvious causes for the unusually loud fan noises: 1. The author is doing something that is causing the noises (e.g. running an unusually large volume of CPU intensive jobs, letting too much dust collect in and around the laptop, ...) 2. There's a manufacturing defect with his laptop (e.g. poorly applied heat sink, damaged fan, ...). 3. There's a design flaw with his laptop model that causes the fan noise. The author is saying that Apple's trick is getting people to focus on option 1 to the exclusion of options 2 and 3, exactly as you do here.
- MaysonL 15y ago
  Also potentially he's running some buggy software: I've had fairly common experiences with Safari and/or Flash pegging a core and causing the fan to kick in.
  - josteink 15y ago
    Let's repeat what the nice mister said; "The author is saying that Apple's trick is getting people to focus on option 1 to the exclusion of options 2 and 3, exactly as you do here."
    - kstenerud 15y ago
      And that mentality goes all the way too the top. Remember Steve's flippant response of "You're holding the phone wrong"?
lloeki 15y ago
> author [...] interprets [...] mac users have all been brainwashed to say that I don't know who pulled this trick of making some people think fruity-branded device owners have seen their reasoning ability hampered in some way. In some contexts just pulling out your MacBook makes you flagged like you're part of a cult, and regularly brings all sorts of bias, noticeable even if not outspoken.
- xenomachina 15y ago
  The Apple community does seem to have a disproportionate number of cultists. I have a Mac Book Pro myself, and I've learned that asking certain things about Apple can get you treated like a heretic in some Apple forums. For example, even though I've been using a Mac for several years, I still find the behavior of command-tab to be suboptimal. While searching for a way to get it to behave the way I'd like there were quite a few "you should just get used to the Apple way" responses, and I even found a couple "if you like alt-tab on Windows so much why don't you switch back?" sorts of responses.
  - lloeki 15y ago
    Point taken, there are fanboys and cultists. I'd say most Apple users though are not that way. Still, whenever you try to have an open discussion about Apple, conflations start early and points get dismissed merely because you happen to own, maybe even enjoy using, an Apple product. The real trouble starts when it has influence outside Apple-ish discussions. Based on my experience on site in some firms or contexts, the moment I get my MacBook out is when I am awarded some Godwin-esque point. Sometimes you can actually hear people sheeshing or sharing something along the lines of "Look, he's one of them". Somehow trust erodes, and points - well received beforehand - about anything going even mildly against the client's preconceived idea of how the project at hand would fare get dismissed on the most shady grounds. There's an interesting group effect in this subtle (sometimes not so) behavior.

by enko 15y ago

SquareWheel 15y ago

I didn't get the impression he took personal offense at all. He was also clear that he was not running CPU intensive tasks, just Safari with a Google Spreadsheet open.

MaysonL 15y ago
I have seen both Safari and Google Javascript do CPU intensive things at the strangest times.
- josteink 15y ago
  You mean it is obviously anything apart from the Macbook itself maybe having a loud fan noise. I think I have read an article about this sort of behaviour and reasoning somewhere.
  - MaysonL 15y ago
    Anybody who's heard one at full blast knows that the MacBook and MBPro have loud fans - that's not in dispute. What's unknown is the proximate cause of it turning on.

fpgeek 15y ago

Even some Apple enthusiasts have noticed heat and fan noise issues with recent MacBook Pros: http://www.marco.org/2011/09/20/heat-and-fan-issues-with-2011-15-inch-macbook-pro http://www.marco.org/2011/09/20/heat-and-fan-issues-with-201... More generally, I think you're underlining the author's point. I'd say there are three obvious causes for the unusually loud fan noises: 1. The author is doing something that is causing the noises (e.g. running an unusually large volume of CPU intensive jobs, letting too much dust collect in and around the laptop, ...) 2. There's a manufacturing defect with his laptop (e.g. poorly applied heat sink, damaged fan, ...). 3. There's a design flaw with his laptop model that causes the fan noise. The author is saying that Apple's trick is getting people to focus on option 1 to the exclusion of options 2 and 3, exactly as you do here.

MaysonL 15y ago
Also potentially he's running some buggy software: I've had fairly common experiences with Safari and/or Flash pegging a core and causing the fan to kick in.
- josteink 15y ago
  Let's repeat what the nice mister said; "The author is saying that Apple's trick is getting people to focus on option 1 to the exclusion of options 2 and 3, exactly as you do here."
  - kstenerud 15y ago
    And that mentality goes all the way too the top. Remember Steve's flippant response of "You're holding the phone wrong"?

lloeki 15y ago

> author [...] interprets [...] mac users have all been brainwashed to say that I don't know who pulled this trick of making some people think fruity-branded device owners have seen their reasoning ability hampered in some way. In some contexts just pulling out your MacBook makes you flagged like you're part of a cult, and regularly brings all sorts of bias, noticeable even if not outspoken.

xenomachina 15y ago
The Apple community does seem to have a disproportionate number of cultists. I have a Mac Book Pro myself, and I've learned that asking certain things about Apple can get you treated like a heretic in some Apple forums. For example, even though I've been using a Mac for several years, I still find the behavior of command-tab to be suboptimal. While searching for a way to get it to behave the way I'd like there were quite a few "you should just get used to the Apple way" responses, and I even found a couple "if you like alt-tab on Windows so much why don't you switch back?" sorts of responses.
- lloeki 15y ago
  Point taken, there are fanboys and cultists. I'd say most Apple users though are not that way. Still, whenever you try to have an open discussion about Apple, conflations start early and points get dismissed merely because you happen to own, maybe even enjoy using, an Apple product. The real trouble starts when it has influence outside Apple-ish discussions. Based on my experience on site in some firms or contexts, the moment I get my MacBook out is when I am awarded some Godwin-esque point. Sometimes you can actually hear people sheeshing or sharing something along the lines of "Look, he's one of them". Somehow trust erodes, and points - well received beforehand - about anything going even mildly against the client's preconceived idea of how the project at hand would fare get dismissed on the most shady grounds. There's an interesting group effect in this subtle (sometimes not so) behavior.