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Censoring Naked Yoga
- hobbitstan 4y ago'nonsexual nudity' Can the EFF not tell porn when they see it? Is softcore porn no longer porn?
- pksebben 4y agoone could make the argument that porn is in the eye of the beholder, here. not to mention, even if it is porn, who cares? are we such a nation of five year olds and nanny businesses that we can't be trusted with a titty?
- jfengel 4y agoWe're the nation that spends over $100 million dollars of federal money every year on abstinence-only sex education programs[1]. You still can't show titties on broadcast TV. So... the answer to your question is "yes". [1] https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/abstinence-only-programs https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/abstinence-only-progra...
- hulitu 4y agoNo. Only the supreme court can that. /s
- low_tech_love 4y agoThe fact that all instructors are actually models is obviously cringy, and that would certainly not be on youtube (although there are many similar channels with thinly dressed models) but to call it softcore porn is too much. It is arousing, but there is no simulated sex or anything evwn close to that.
- temporary22 4y agoPoses seem correct too, so even if they are models they know yoga too. Certain yoga poses are sensual even when you don't want to be sensual, I find the idea of naked yoga actually genius
- deterministic 4y agoPorn is legal in most countries. So what’s the problem?
- stevefan1999 4y agoWell, considering porn is opposed hard on religious ground and most countries are more or less influenced by religions, especially Islam who respond the most on it, not really.
- its-summertime 4y ago"Exclusive Uncensored Photo Sets", "Beautiful, Experienced Teachers" Weird, I wouldn't have expected beauty would be a qualifier for teaching yoga. Nor would I have expected "uncensored photo sets" to be a dot point on an education site. Unless.
- lost_tourist 4y agoSure but it's still not necessary for stripe to become the next morality police we have enough of those in Iran.
- itishappy 4y agoBeauty is an indicator of health and fitness, so it's not at all surprising to me that it's so often a qualifier for teaching in fitness fields. That's not unique to naked yoga, I've never seen an ugly personal trainer.
- bsder 4y ago> I've never seen an ugly personal trainer. That's too general. "Ugly" has too many dimensions. For example, a lot of women would consider most of the latest "Mr. Olympia" contestants as grotesque and ugly. One could also be greatly fit and still have an extremely unattractive face. Now, if you want to say that you've never seen a successful, out-of-shape personal trainer, I'd probably concede that. Being in-shape is marketing for the expertise you are taking payment for.
- brianwawok 4y agoUmm.. I’ve seen quite a few look like a caveman with a head bulge.
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- stevefan1999 4y agoBeauty is a philosophical question that depends on cultural values, so you can't make a general assumption out of it. For example, 400 years ago small breasts are considered beauty. You can't say the same today and instead had turned 180 into "small boobs shame" among the youth.
- elmerfud 4y agoOh but private business, blah blah blah, which I support or denounce based on my current view point. Really if the eff wants to take on nonsexual nudity then the payment processors and social media platforms aren't the starting point. They're way down the list. First start with topless equality recognized nation wide in the USA. Not just in public but also in print and broadcast media. Get the FCCs indecency regulations revised. Probably a good thing would be elimination of the FCC if free speech is your goal.
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- diebeforei485 4y ago> Stripe gave True Naked Yoga just four days’ notice before the account was closed. This is the problem. Four days is ridiculous in a circumstance where the business or content hasn't changed and it's just Stripe who changed their mind. It should be 60 days in these circumstances.
- tommek4077 4y agoIt should be never for such a service if the counterparty acts legal.
- benj111 4y agoI think that payment processors should be required to offer service to any legal business. If you do business on the internet you need a payment processor, and defacto need one in the real world. The fact that they can destroy a business on a whim shouldn't be legal.
- melony 4y agoIt's not the payment processors' fault (but MasterCard and Visa's oligopoly does need to be shattered), it is the banks'. They (more specifically, the network of banks that handle most payment processing) are at the foundation (read, have a strangehold on) of every financial infrastructure, be it technological or human. If they deny service, non-crypto fintechs have no real recourse. Moral pearl clutching aside, the issue of fraud for these sort of services is also unsolved. That is why companies that service this particular vertical charge ridiculous fees. There needs to be a separate non-revocable class of payments (maybe something like Zelle) for these industries.
- darth_avocado 4y agoI wonder how this fits into antitrust laws if all payment processors start banning legal businesses, it in my opinion should fall under antitrust violations.
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- wiseleo 4y agoAn argument can be made that it would benefit the student to see the exact shape of muscles. When I study dance, it's much easier when the instructors wear either swimwear or clothing that makes seeing their muscles and joint movements easier.
- lost_tourist 4y agoI don't understand this "payment processor police" concept that private companies are trying to take on. We don't need moral police on where we spend money. Block illegal stuff and suspicious activity and everything else is a free for all. I don't need stripe or visa or anybody else filtering my stuff or my kids stuff. I'll take care of that.
- twelve40 4y agopretty sure that's why they blocked pornhub and them: neither the banks, nor visa etc have any desire or capacity to tell "legal stuff" from "illegal stuff", how do you even picture they go about that?
- jrnichols 4y agoI would not be surprised to see that this is more fallout from sesta/fosta, the exodus cry incident with pornhub, and payment processors just going along with the hysteria. the anti-pornography crusaders have really escalated things over the past few years.
- Bnichs 4y agoWhile I don't want to defend the anti porn people, it is worth noting that pornography itself has escalated just as much if not more over the past few years. The availability and diversity of every type of porn content imaginable has never been greater and it's much much harder to avoid porn on the internet. Logically this would mean that those who are against porn would want to step up their game.
- walder_sea 4y agoporn isnt the issue - its porn sites that are the problem. the features of those sites are, like facebook, designed to keep you engaged as long as possible, and are designed to keep a user going further and further down the rabbit hole of kinks and fetishes. this is a lot different from the magazine or vhs porn media in the 80s/90s, or the theaters in the 60's/70s, or even the pre-facebook internet up til 2011. im not anti all porn and nudity - i am anti internet porn.
- GaryNumanVevo 4y agoEh, most likely not. Having worked in the payment space, pornography has some of the highest rates of credit card fraud and charge backs. It's a nightmare for everyone involved.
- whycome 4y agoCan AI replace female nipples with male nipples? Like, DeepFake for nipples.
- rad_gruchalski 4y agoWhy would it have to?
- derkades 4y agoOn many platforms, showing female nipples is banned while showing male nipples is not. Probably not the issue here, though.
- labrador 4y agoI'm guessing this is about child porn, as in, "we can't tell if that naked woman is 15 or 18 so we'll just ban nudity"
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- mfuzzey 4y agoThis should be illegal. Businesses like payment processors should not be allowed to refuse to provide their services to any legal clients. And legality is up to the courts to decide not payment processors or any other middlemen. If enough people really want to ban porn (I don't know or care if this particular site was really porn) then go through the proper channels, and make a law explicitly banning it don't try to get private companies to do the work of enforcing arbitary rules.
- jamestimmins 4y agoIn many cases, I suspect providers would love if this was illegal, as they likely dislike being forced by the public to become arbiters of decency (thinking especially of Cloudflare banning trolls). The balance, according to my limited understanding, is that certain types of activity including porn-adjacent sites have much higher card failure rates, so banning some activity is a way to reduce chargeback costs falling on Stripe's shoulders.
- Wowfunhappy 4y ago> The balance, according to my limited understanding, is that certain types of activity including porn-adjacent sites have much higher card failure rates, so banning some activity is a way to reduce chargeback costs falling on Stripe's shoulders. In that case, wouldn't the solution be to charge higher processing fees (possibly much higher) for websites in that category? Why ban them entirely?
- dragonwriter 4y ago> In that case, wouldn't the solution be to charge higher processing fees (possibly much higher) for websites in that category? Which will the lead to deliberate miscategorization, and more costs to verify claimed categorization, and...
- Wowfunhappy 4y agoDoesn't banning the category create an even stronger incentive for deliberate miscategorization?
- twelve40 4y agoCan this be a great business opportunity? Or, if you try to fill in for Stripe in this case, you'll run into some non-obvious blockers upstream? maybe the parties Stripe is dealing with will penalize porn and stuff, so it's not even up to Stripe? or not?
- Wowfunhappy 4y ago> Or, if you try to fill in for Stripe in this case, you'll run into some non-obvious blockers upstream? I know nothing about this industry but I would kind of assume the problem is with the credit card companies themselves (Visa and MasterCard), who are probably concerned with brand safety or some such.
- wilg 4y agoCan’t you just be a credit card company?
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- rendall 4y agoProstitution and sex work should just be made legal, a business like any other. That would in turn protect businesses like this one, which is censored for its being wrongly perceived as some kind of sex work.