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What was the phone requirement that you refused? Did they want to confiscate your phone, lock it in a bag you physically couldn’t open, seal it in an envelope y

by raldi 4y ago

What was the phone requirement that you refused? Did they want to confiscate your phone, lock it in a bag you physically couldn’t open, seal it in an envelope you got to keep but could open in an emergency, just demand you keep it in your pocket…?

andybak 4y ago
Yeah. I've never heard of this and "phoneless/phone encasing" isn't returning much. GP - what?
- sunsunsunsun 4y ago
  Not OP but there are a few performers who like to either confescate phones or place them in locked baggies to stop the people who hold their phone in the air filming a video nobody will ever watch. In theory I like the idea but in practice I agree with OP.
  - monksy 4y ago
    > to stop the people who hold their phone in the air filming a video nobody will ever watch. This is the statement that I want to go up to you in person physically grab you, shake you and tell you I love you for making that statement. It's frustrating to be gaslit by artist claiming that a youtube reproduction of their concert/show is going to cause a justifiable loss of future revenue. Looking back at the Rammstein stiched concerts only makes me want to go more.
- monksy 4y ago
  Look up "phone free" and you'll find the references. What it is: It's a strong fabric case that locks you out of your phone with a very strong magnet.(defaces the object you have) This prevents you from answering the phone, making calls, using the camera etc. Have a medical/police/medical-staff being called back emergency? Good luck buddy, no one cares about this. The company who is doing this is Yondr. They've been doing this for years. They've been doing this with musicians, comedians, courtrooms, and even at schools. I'm amazed that they have been getting away with this for so long. Yondr has had a lot of astroturfing over the years so it's harder to find the people who have had a bad experience over the years. You'll see non-normally participating people pop up in every comment section that mentions the phone ban: "well i like that everyone isn't on their phone" etc. Also, you'll see near promo news pieces on this. Additionally there has been no public comment with this that I know of, which is super auspicious from the US or Europe. (Just did the research Placebo and Bono have enforced this in Paris.. a bit brave considering the bataclan) EDIT: Dang, yes I said the a word (ends with turfing), this is not a statement thats happening here.
  - progman32 4y ago
    If a venue insists on treating me like guilty-until-proven-innocent cattle, I will not go. I can't be alone in this sentiment. A friend of mine uses their phone to run an insulin pump. Are there suitable exceptions? How about doctors which may have obligations to their patient's calls?
- filoleg 4y ago
  Never seen it happen at concerts, but it happens more often than not at standup comedy shows.
vidanay 4y ago
My guess would be "no phone allowed." (Specifically, no video recording allowed, but most enforcement is too stupid so they have a blanket restriction.)
- monocasa 4y ago
  There's also a 'I as the artist don't like to see the audience on their phone' component a lot of the time as well.
  - monksy 4y ago
    There are a lot of claims here. Their offical statements are: 1. They don't want their show recorded. 2. They don't want their show "leaking" on the internet ("loss of ticket sells") 3. People using their phones "ruin the experience" Realistically it's due to: 1. They say libalious things. (Aka Hanable Burris talking about Cosby before formal conversations were had) Also, they say things that upset groups of people who try to "boycott." Aka Louie and the Parkland shooting joke./"Cancelled" 2. They are pissy about bad recordings going up on the internet and being caught behaving badly. (https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/dave-chappelle-fans-demand-refund-detroit-performance-article-1.2199045 https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/dave-chappelle-fan...) 3. It's there to protect notorious joke stealers from being caught in the act.
- monksy 4y ago
  Nearly all of the shows I've been to have "no recording requests"/rules etc. Most of the time who gets caught are the ones that bring a full video camera. (Poor Rammstein requests no filming but people have their phones out the whole time.. comes with a big show) This is an extra enforcement deal I'm referring to.
monocasa 4y ago
The yondr bags are sealed faraday cages to keep you from recording the show or being on your phone.
- slowmovintarget 4y ago
  Reading about those... They basically lock away your phone and they don't give you the key. Not quite as bad as chaining people in their apartment buildings to keep COVID-19 quarantines, but it certainly would be reason enough for me to avoid a venue.
  - filoleg 4y ago
    They don't quite lock it away. They give you a special pouch that locks, you put your phone in that pouch, lock it, and then they unlock it for you at the end of the show. Your phone doesn't leave you at any point. Not trying to argue for or against that policy. But comparing it even remotely to the COVID situation you are describing (that is currently happening in a certain country) is about as self-aggrandizing and out of touch as it can get.
- bewaretheirs 4y ago
  If the pouches had a tamper evident tool-less ripcord to open it in the event of an emergency, I think that would resolve the concerns about a Bataclan scenario.
  - monksy 4y ago
    I'd never thought of that. I would have accepted that situation if it had a rip cord and not had been happy about the requirement. However, I'm very confident that it'll never happen as that people will pull the rip cord to record. (Heck I would probably obey the rules and pull the ripcord right before handing back the case to remove the phone)

by raldi 4y ago

andybak 4y ago

Yeah. I've never heard of this and "phoneless/phone encasing" isn't returning much. GP - what?

sunsunsunsun 4y ago
Not OP but there are a few performers who like to either confescate phones or place them in locked baggies to stop the people who hold their phone in the air filming a video nobody will ever watch. In theory I like the idea but in practice I agree with OP.
- monksy 4y ago
  > to stop the people who hold their phone in the air filming a video nobody will ever watch. This is the statement that I want to go up to you in person physically grab you, shake you and tell you I love you for making that statement. It's frustrating to be gaslit by artist claiming that a youtube reproduction of their concert/show is going to cause a justifiable loss of future revenue. Looking back at the Rammstein stiched concerts only makes me want to go more.
monksy 4y ago
Look up "phone free" and you'll find the references. What it is: It's a strong fabric case that locks you out of your phone with a very strong magnet.(defaces the object you have) This prevents you from answering the phone, making calls, using the camera etc. Have a medical/police/medical-staff being called back emergency? Good luck buddy, no one cares about this. The company who is doing this is Yondr. They've been doing this for years. They've been doing this with musicians, comedians, courtrooms, and even at schools. I'm amazed that they have been getting away with this for so long. Yondr has had a lot of astroturfing over the years so it's harder to find the people who have had a bad experience over the years. You'll see non-normally participating people pop up in every comment section that mentions the phone ban: "well i like that everyone isn't on their phone" etc. Also, you'll see near promo news pieces on this. Additionally there has been no public comment with this that I know of, which is super auspicious from the US or Europe. (Just did the research Placebo and Bono have enforced this in Paris.. a bit brave considering the bataclan) EDIT: Dang, yes I said the a word (ends with turfing), this is not a statement thats happening here.
- progman32 4y ago
  If a venue insists on treating me like guilty-until-proven-innocent cattle, I will not go. I can't be alone in this sentiment. A friend of mine uses their phone to run an insulin pump. Are there suitable exceptions? How about doctors which may have obligations to their patient's calls?
filoleg 4y ago
Never seen it happen at concerts, but it happens more often than not at standup comedy shows.

vidanay 4y ago

My guess would be "no phone allowed." (Specifically, no video recording allowed, but most enforcement is too stupid so they have a blanket restriction.)

monocasa 4y ago
There's also a 'I as the artist don't like to see the audience on their phone' component a lot of the time as well.
- monksy 4y ago
  There are a lot of claims here. Their offical statements are: 1. They don't want their show recorded. 2. They don't want their show "leaking" on the internet ("loss of ticket sells") 3. People using their phones "ruin the experience" Realistically it's due to: 1. They say libalious things. (Aka Hanable Burris talking about Cosby before formal conversations were had) Also, they say things that upset groups of people who try to "boycott." Aka Louie and the Parkland shooting joke./"Cancelled" 2. They are pissy about bad recordings going up on the internet and being caught behaving badly. (https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/dave-chappelle-fans-demand-refund-detroit-performance-article-1.2199045 https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/dave-chappelle-fan...) 3. It's there to protect notorious joke stealers from being caught in the act.
monksy 4y ago
Nearly all of the shows I've been to have "no recording requests"/rules etc. Most of the time who gets caught are the ones that bring a full video camera. (Poor Rammstein requests no filming but people have their phones out the whole time.. comes with a big show) This is an extra enforcement deal I'm referring to.

monocasa 4y ago

The yondr bags are sealed faraday cages to keep you from recording the show or being on your phone.

slowmovintarget 4y ago
Reading about those... They basically lock away your phone and they don't give you the key. Not quite as bad as chaining people in their apartment buildings to keep COVID-19 quarantines, but it certainly would be reason enough for me to avoid a venue.
- filoleg 4y ago
  They don't quite lock it away. They give you a special pouch that locks, you put your phone in that pouch, lock it, and then they unlock it for you at the end of the show. Your phone doesn't leave you at any point. Not trying to argue for or against that policy. But comparing it even remotely to the COVID situation you are describing (that is currently happening in a certain country) is about as self-aggrandizing and out of touch as it can get.
bewaretheirs 4y ago
If the pouches had a tamper evident tool-less ripcord to open it in the event of an emergency, I think that would resolve the concerns about a Bataclan scenario.
- monksy 4y ago
  I'd never thought of that. I would have accepted that situation if it had a rip cord and not had been happy about the requirement. However, I'm very confident that it'll never happen as that people will pull the rip cord to record. (Heck I would probably obey the rules and pull the ripcord right before handing back the case to remove the phone)