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This sort of thing, everywhere, is exactly what to expect from "deregulation".

justanorherhack 4y ago
Yes and if enough people actually thought about it and cared then they wouldnt participate and the market would change. But instead just like with regulation they don't care. It's just one is forced and one is a choice.
- SQueeeeeL 4y ago
  An artistic show tend to have weirdly inelastic demand. If someone is a committed fan, they will typically pay any amount of money to "worship their idol" (not in a negative way, ritualized communal, artist performances are some of the earliest human traditions we have). To see a society in which very few limits were placed on who could see a concert, look up Metallica playing when the USSR fell, absolutely massive.
notinfuriated 4y ago
I'm unclear on how this is a regulation or deregulation thing. There could be a regulation that specifically allows for or denies smartphones at such events. It's hypothetical at this point, so why is deregulation to blame in this case now?
- crmd 4y ago
  It’s only a big deal because regulators allowed companies like MSGE and Live Nation to buy up all the independent venues. No one would care if a single fascist club owner was terrorizing customers because the free market would punish him.
- cool_dude85 4y ago
  Presumably you could have a law saying what kinds of things are or aren't sufficient grounds to ban people from places.
- monksy 4y ago
  You can make the claim that ADA/disability rights were denied by the venue. (See the bluetooth gluclose monitors and people are extremely fragile or blind with the use of aids) With regulation this a slam dunk. With deregulation- they're getting away with "per venue's discretion" - But I have heard of medical staff being rejected because they were oncall or parents who had a baby sitter.
pessimizer 4y ago
A venue can dictate how you dress and behave, but can't dictate that you not carry in a cellphone? Not clearly telling someone with anxiety that their (very common) safety blanket isn't allowed in the venue before they buy the ticket it a problem, but it's a problem with how we treat Terms-of-Service and EULAs that are too long and legalistic as binding. It's good that people can't have their cellphones at comedy shows.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  Banning phones at large events is dangerous, and should be illegal for the same reason that jamming is. If there's an emergency, neither you nor anyone around you will be able to call 911.

Yes and if enough people actually thought about it and cared then they wouldnt participate and the market would change. But instead just like with regulation they don't care. It's just one is forced and one is a choice.

SQueeeeeL 4y ago
An artistic show tend to have weirdly inelastic demand. If someone is a committed fan, they will typically pay any amount of money to "worship their idol" (not in a negative way, ritualized communal, artist performances are some of the earliest human traditions we have). To see a society in which very few limits were placed on who could see a concert, look up Metallica playing when the USSR fell, absolutely massive.

notinfuriated 4y ago

I'm unclear on how this is a regulation or deregulation thing. There could be a regulation that specifically allows for or denies smartphones at such events. It's hypothetical at this point, so why is deregulation to blame in this case now?

crmd 4y ago
It’s only a big deal because regulators allowed companies like MSGE and Live Nation to buy up all the independent venues. No one would care if a single fascist club owner was terrorizing customers because the free market would punish him.
cool_dude85 4y ago
Presumably you could have a law saying what kinds of things are or aren't sufficient grounds to ban people from places.
monksy 4y ago
You can make the claim that ADA/disability rights were denied by the venue. (See the bluetooth gluclose monitors and people are extremely fragile or blind with the use of aids) With regulation this a slam dunk. With deregulation- they're getting away with "per venue's discretion" - But I have heard of medical staff being rejected because they were oncall or parents who had a baby sitter.

pessimizer 4y ago

A venue can dictate how you dress and behave, but can't dictate that you not carry in a cellphone? Not clearly telling someone with anxiety that their (very common) safety blanket isn't allowed in the venue before they buy the ticket it a problem, but it's a problem with how we treat Terms-of-Service and EULAs that are too long and legalistic as binding. It's good that people can't have their cellphones at comedy shows.

josephcsible 4y ago
Banning phones at large events is dangerous, and should be illegal for the same reason that jamming is. If there's an emergency, neither you nor anyone around you will be able to call 911.