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sorry you're so ignorant! you can email me if you want to learn. it's in my bio. https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/034/711/Screen_Shot_2020-07-24_at_11.33.38_AM.jpg https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/034/711/Scree...

chaostheory 4y ago
Yes, claiming that I’m ignorant and that you’re illiterate is a great counter argument just because you can’t respond to facts and history /s If you can’t properly explain your position within HN comments, it means that you don’t really understand what you believe in or that it’s really flawed. No, I’m not emailing you. If there’s anyone who’s ignorant of anything in this discussion, it’s you. You have no knowledge of the history of socialism despite your claims. I’m confident that you don’t even fully understand what socialism is based on your comments. You should probably re-read Animal Farm which is notable work from a notable socialist
- greenie_beans 4y ago
  is animal farm where you get all your ideas about socialism? lol ok it's clear that you're the one who doesn't know what socialism is. this is a pointless discussion and you have no idea what you're talking about and didn't really respond to any of my arguments in good faith. i'll say it again because it went over your head in my very first comment: state dictatorships with nationalized industries are not socialism. i've been properly explaining my beliefs but you've just been misinterpreting my claims and ignoring what i say because you're bad at debating. it's impossible to argue with somebody who says that everything you say is wrong (despite the claims being true). it's beating somebody at an argument through gaslighting. this is a waste of my time. i'm not putting in the effort to write my arguments better — this is like arguing with a racist about why the confederate flag is a hateful symbol.
  - greenie_beans 4y ago
    i just googled "animal farm" and the fifth sentence of wikipedia says that george orwell was a socialist...nice
  - chaostheory 4y ago
    All of your comments have no basis in fact, reality, or history. You should read more before you continue to comment on a subject that you know nothing about including Animal Farm. If you don’t have a good understanding of metaphor and allegory, just read the history behind it
    - greenie_beans 4y ago
      stop talking so bad about urself lol
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > You should probably re-read Animal Farm which is notable work from a notable socialist ...about how Leninism and related systems, despite superficial rhetoric borrowed from socialism, were not socialism, and looped back around to be equivalent to the capitalism that socialists oppose. (And, more broadly, about how people in practice could continue to maintain faith in those and other systems in which the nominal ideals of a revolution were utterly betrayed by revolutionary leadership.)
  - chaostheory 4y ago
    I don’t like repeating myself in the same thread, but it is socialism. That’s how socialism evolves in the real world just like what we call capitalism isn’t a true free market and it has a lot of corporate welfare. If I were to use your same logic with capitalism, I would say “Let’s bring back capitalism because what we have now isn’t capitalism. Instead, it’s ‘chrony capitalism’ since it doesn’t match Adam Smith’s pure ideology“. It’s a flawed argument that you guys keep parroting. Leninism is another word for late stage socialism. Your comment also shows that you failed to read my previous comments. Why bother replying if you’re just going to ignore what I wrote?
    - greenie_beans 4y ago
      > Why bother replying if you’re just going to ignore what I wrote? because we need to tell you that you don't know what you're talking about
      - chaostheory 4y ago
        All you've proven is the exact opposite. The facts and history are on my side. You're just parroting talking points from someone else who didn't study history. I've already destroyed your talking points, which is even more apparent given your reply
- greenie_beans 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  - chaostheory 4y ago
    You should look in the mirror. You already lost the argument multiple times already since you’ve relied on personal attacks as opposed to attacking terrible arguments like yours
    - greenie_beans 4y ago
      i don't care about winning an argument with somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about
      - chaostheory 4y ago
        Yeah, given your terrible arguments that would be you who doesn't have a good understanding. When you start relying on attacking people instead of arguments, that signals that you lost the argument and that your knowledge is both flawed and weak.

chaostheory 4y ago

Yes, claiming that I’m ignorant and that you’re illiterate is a great counter argument just because you can’t respond to facts and history /s If you can’t properly explain your position within HN comments, it means that you don’t really understand what you believe in or that it’s really flawed. No, I’m not emailing you. If there’s anyone who’s ignorant of anything in this discussion, it’s you. You have no knowledge of the history of socialism despite your claims. I’m confident that you don’t even fully understand what socialism is based on your comments. You should probably re-read Animal Farm which is notable work from a notable socialist

greenie_beans 4y ago
is animal farm where you get all your ideas about socialism? lol ok it's clear that you're the one who doesn't know what socialism is. this is a pointless discussion and you have no idea what you're talking about and didn't really respond to any of my arguments in good faith. i'll say it again because it went over your head in my very first comment: state dictatorships with nationalized industries are not socialism. i've been properly explaining my beliefs but you've just been misinterpreting my claims and ignoring what i say because you're bad at debating. it's impossible to argue with somebody who says that everything you say is wrong (despite the claims being true). it's beating somebody at an argument through gaslighting. this is a waste of my time. i'm not putting in the effort to write my arguments better — this is like arguing with a racist about why the confederate flag is a hateful symbol.
- greenie_beans 4y ago
  i just googled "animal farm" and the fifth sentence of wikipedia says that george orwell was a socialist...nice
- chaostheory 4y ago
  All of your comments have no basis in fact, reality, or history. You should read more before you continue to comment on a subject that you know nothing about including Animal Farm. If you don’t have a good understanding of metaphor and allegory, just read the history behind it
  - greenie_beans 4y ago
    stop talking so bad about urself lol
dragonwriter 4y ago
> You should probably re-read Animal Farm which is notable work from a notable socialist ...about how Leninism and related systems, despite superficial rhetoric borrowed from socialism, were not socialism, and looped back around to be equivalent to the capitalism that socialists oppose. (And, more broadly, about how people in practice could continue to maintain faith in those and other systems in which the nominal ideals of a revolution were utterly betrayed by revolutionary leadership.)
- chaostheory 4y ago
  I don’t like repeating myself in the same thread, but it is socialism. That’s how socialism evolves in the real world just like what we call capitalism isn’t a true free market and it has a lot of corporate welfare. If I were to use your same logic with capitalism, I would say “Let’s bring back capitalism because what we have now isn’t capitalism. Instead, it’s ‘chrony capitalism’ since it doesn’t match Adam Smith’s pure ideology“. It’s a flawed argument that you guys keep parroting. Leninism is another word for late stage socialism. Your comment also shows that you failed to read my previous comments. Why bother replying if you’re just going to ignore what I wrote?
  - greenie_beans 4y ago
    > Why bother replying if you’re just going to ignore what I wrote? because we need to tell you that you don't know what you're talking about
    - chaostheory 4y ago
      All you've proven is the exact opposite. The facts and history are on my side. You're just parroting talking points from someone else who didn't study history. I've already destroyed your talking points, which is even more apparent given your reply
greenie_beans 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
- chaostheory 4y ago
  You should look in the mirror. You already lost the argument multiple times already since you’ve relied on personal attacks as opposed to attacking terrible arguments like yours
  - greenie_beans 4y ago
    i don't care about winning an argument with somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about
    - chaostheory 4y ago
      Yeah, given your terrible arguments that would be you who doesn't have a good understanding. When you start relying on attacking people instead of arguments, that signals that you lost the argument and that your knowledge is both flawed and weak.