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Others have called out some the silliness on this list, but honestly my biggest problem with it is that it's just so lazy, and often times flat out incorrect in

by pc86 4y ago

Others have called out some the silliness on this list, but honestly my biggest problem with it is that it's just so lazy, and often times flat out incorrect in its assumptions. - "Consider using 'devoted' instead of 'addicted.'" I'm sorry but you don't develop a physical devotion to heroin. It's an addiction. - They say the phrase "committed suicide" is problematic because it "trivializes the experiences of people living with mental health conditions" and I'm not sure how in the world you can come to that conclusion unless you're using a completely different (and wrong) definition of "committed" as in being committed to a mental hospital. - Every word that contains "man" or "woman" as part of it just lazily replaces it with "person." I'm sorry, but "congressperson" is never going to be a word and nobody is ever going to use it in any serious context. "Member of Congress" has been around for a couple hundred years but mention of that completely acceptable alternative. - Nobody has ever said "landlady" - "Latinx" is used almost exclusively by the type of person who comes up with this list in the first place. This list reads like ChatGPT trained exclusively on social justice parody.

VyseofArcadia 4y ago
> Nobody has ever said "landlady" I have heard it in exactly one place, and that place is the movie Kung-fu Hustle. Who is throwing handles?
- themanmaran 4y ago
  Certainly the most prominent landlady in my mind. But I also had a landlady for several years in SF. And that's how I referred to her. I didn't think it too strange.
- bee_rider 4y ago
  She’s like a badass or something in that movie, right? I feel vaguely like that was a sendup of a trope that is like: a landlady who kind of harries the main character but isn’t taken very seriously because she’s a woman. But that idea doesn’t resonate as much anymore (which is good!), so the sendup loses some grounding.
unethical_ban 4y ago
Devoted vs. addicted: I think they mean in the context of "Addicted to games" or "addicted to bacon" in a casual sense. Of course, they fail to even try to add context. As many have pointed out, this list is more about control over thought than over actually helping anyone. Committed vs. died by suicide: It's the association with "committing" an act as something negative. You commit a crime, you don't commit an achievement. Again, it's a stretch and a waste of time. Whoever wrote this needs to go make sandwiches for the homeless for a while.
seniorsassycat 4y ago
> "Consider using 'devoted' instead of 'addicted.'" I'm sorry but you don't develop a physical devotion to heroin. It's an addiction. I think the page or it's authors agree with you. But you (probably) aren't addicted to video games and that's the use that trivializes real addictions. If the article isn't clear that's a different criticism that the one you're making
bee_rider 4y ago
> - "Consider using 'devoted' instead of 'addicted.'" I'm sorry but you don't develop a physical devotion to heroin. It's an addiction. Err, do they mean that these words shouldn’t be used at all, or that they don’t want them used as expressions outside the correct context? Like it is not that uncommon to hear something like “I’m addicted to this new game” or “I’m addicted to that new Poke Bowl place” or whatever, that usage could be seen as trivializing and… I mean some people will disagree but it is at least a coherent position. Similar for “committed suicide” although that comes up less often (but like “I was so embarrassed I wanted to kill myself!” could clearly be seen as pretty trivializing — I think this expression is currently falling out of the lexicon for that very reason). > Every word that contains "man" or "woman" as part of it just lazily replaces it with "person." I'm sorry, but "congressperson" is never going to be a word and nobody is ever going to use it in any serious context. "Member of Congress" has been around for a couple hundred years but mention of that completely acceptable alternative. I think “congressperson” or “congress-member” in my head. The word congressman would typically not occur to me first. I wonder if this is a regional thing or something? I’m not that young, (30s) but I did grow up in a pretty progressive area. > Nobody has ever said "landlady" This one does seem a little odd to me, I’m sure “lord” has a gendered etymology but it is pretty neutral feeling in modern English, right? Maybe I’m showing some ignorance here. Landlady is definitely a phrase that’s been used right? But it seems a little dated and weirdly gendered nowadays, IMO…
allturtles 4y ago
> - Nobody has ever said "landlady" They have, though not nearly as often as landlord. It was way more popular in the 19th century but it seems to be making a recent comeback. [0] [0]: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=landlady%2Clandlord&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=landlady%2Clan...

by pc86 4y ago

VyseofArcadia 4y ago

> Nobody has ever said "landlady" I have heard it in exactly one place, and that place is the movie Kung-fu Hustle. Who is throwing handles?

themanmaran 4y ago
Certainly the most prominent landlady in my mind. But I also had a landlady for several years in SF. And that's how I referred to her. I didn't think it too strange.
bee_rider 4y ago
She’s like a badass or something in that movie, right? I feel vaguely like that was a sendup of a trope that is like: a landlady who kind of harries the main character but isn’t taken very seriously because she’s a woman. But that idea doesn’t resonate as much anymore (which is good!), so the sendup loses some grounding.

unethical_ban 4y ago

Devoted vs. addicted: I think they mean in the context of "Addicted to games" or "addicted to bacon" in a casual sense. Of course, they fail to even try to add context. As many have pointed out, this list is more about control over thought than over actually helping anyone. Committed vs. died by suicide: It's the association with "committing" an act as something negative. You commit a crime, you don't commit an achievement. Again, it's a stretch and a waste of time. Whoever wrote this needs to go make sandwiches for the homeless for a while.

seniorsassycat 4y ago

> "Consider using 'devoted' instead of 'addicted.'" I'm sorry but you don't develop a physical devotion to heroin. It's an addiction. I think the page or it's authors agree with you. But you (probably) aren't addicted to video games and that's the use that trivializes real addictions. If the article isn't clear that's a different criticism that the one you're making

bee_rider 4y ago

> - "Consider using 'devoted' instead of 'addicted.'" I'm sorry but you don't develop a physical devotion to heroin. It's an addiction. Err, do they mean that these words shouldn’t be used at all, or that they don’t want them used as expressions outside the correct context? Like it is not that uncommon to hear something like “I’m addicted to this new game” or “I’m addicted to that new Poke Bowl place” or whatever, that usage could be seen as trivializing and… I mean some people will disagree but it is at least a coherent position. Similar for “committed suicide” although that comes up less often (but like “I was so embarrassed I wanted to kill myself!” could clearly be seen as pretty trivializing — I think this expression is currently falling out of the lexicon for that very reason). > Every word that contains "man" or "woman" as part of it just lazily replaces it with "person." I'm sorry, but "congressperson" is never going to be a word and nobody is ever going to use it in any serious context. "Member of Congress" has been around for a couple hundred years but mention of that completely acceptable alternative. I think “congressperson” or “congress-member” in my head. The word congressman would typically not occur to me first. I wonder if this is a regional thing or something? I’m not that young, (30s) but I did grow up in a pretty progressive area. > Nobody has ever said "landlady" This one does seem a little odd to me, I’m sure “lord” has a gendered etymology but it is pretty neutral feeling in modern English, right? Maybe I’m showing some ignorance here. Landlady is definitely a phrase that’s been used right? But it seems a little dated and weirdly gendered nowadays, IMO…

allturtles 4y ago

> - Nobody has ever said "landlady" They have, though not nearly as often as landlord. It was way more popular in the 19th century but it seems to be making a recent comeback. [0] [0]: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=landlady%2Clandlord&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=landlady%2Clan...