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but how is said monitor stand a "differentiated good" ?!

by gjvc 4y ago

dijit 4y ago
Because it was mostly advertised wrong. The target market for that screen are buying the VESA mount, but Apple didn't include the VESA mount and added it as an add-on, I'm not sure why; meaning the "$600 Monitor stand upgrade" - which is basically to prevent people buying it as a monitor unless they're going for "Luxury" - became $1,000. The Pro Display XDR is competing with $40,000 screens for tv/movie production- and studios that use displays like that swap them out quite often because they lose their calibration; they have rows of VESA mounts.
- gjvc 4y ago
  You've convinced me. $600 for a monitor stand is a complete steal.
  - dijit 4y ago
    I think you missed the part where I mentioned that it's not really meant to be a bargain, the bargain is the screen. The "luxury stand" is purely a fashion accessory, because anyone who would actually buy the stand is not buying the screen for it's intended purpose (or at least from the target demographic). It's like buying one of those artic polar watches that can go to 150M that's gold plated. The gold plating is not helping you in that situation, whoever is buying the gold plated edition of that watch is buying it as a fashion accessory, not as an expedition watch. If they want to part with their money: let them.
    - Apocryphon 4y ago
      Is the monitor stand advertised as a luxury good or as a basic necessity because maybe that is a source of confusion, especially if it's presented as a default accessory.
      - mlyle 4y ago
        It's a $5k display that's intended for pro-use. You can buy it with nothing, with a relatively cheap VESA adapter, or a stand for desktop use cases. The high-end display market is niche; using such a display with a stand to sit on a desk is even more niche. It's a very low volume stand but it also has to be relatively good in both form and function so that people don't whinge that they got what feels like a flimsy $300 monitor's stand for their $5k monitor. Who buys the stand? Unusual pro uses where they're better off with a stand than a VESA mount; and people who are just looking for the highest end "fanciest" monitor ever.
        gjvc 4y ago
        > It's a $5k display that's intended for pro-use. You make a clear case, except paying 20% of the cost of the device for a stand that sits on the desk seems ridiculous to me.
        philjohn 4y ago
        As has been stated ad nauseam (and you seem to be ignoring) it's a red herring. You instead spend $200 for the VESA adapter and put it on a monitor arm. Which is reusable for your next monitor (and the monitor after that, and the monitor after that etc. etc.) Heck, I can't remember the last monitor I had that I kept the stand - it goes back in the box, and into storage until the warranty expires and then it goes in the trash. The Monitor goes on a VESA mount arm.
        gjvc 4y ago
        The bully always accuses the the victim of what they themselves are guilty of. This chatter about VESA mount arms and if you buy them or not is irrelevant. The price of the monitor stand as stated by Apple what is being discussed.
        mlyle 4y ago
        20% of the cost of the device for a stand is probably typical in actuality-- just it's usually bundled. If it seems ridiculous, don't buy it-- most of us would be using a monitor arm for a monitor like this. It has a nice 4 bar linkage, bearings, etc. It's intrinsically not cheap and is made in extraordinarily low quantities.
- gjvc 4y ago
  > Because it was mostly advertised wrong. Wrong advertising makes it a differentiated good?! I bet you believe the BS about holding your iPhone wrongly, too. Apple is a real cult.
  - dijit 4y ago
    Call a spade a spade: a device that is designed to compete with other devices 4x the price has has an aggressively priced _optional_ “luxury” stand for idiots who want to brag, and you’re mad at Apple? Why? Did they force you to buy one? I keep telling you the target market for these; A: doesn’t need a stand & B: wouldn’t use it if it was included. It’s for people cosplaying as high end video production people; or playing into the “fashion” side of Apple. Why are people so up in arms about Apple trying to be a tech company and a fashion company? Evaluate their products coldly and if they have value to you then buy them, if not: don’t. That stand by all rights has no value to anyone: but the same is true of SUPREME clothing or those trendy Fendi handbags. Get over yourself, it’s all just tools; and a $5k monitor that can do the job of a $40k one is a good value to someone. Just not to you, and that’s fine. I also don’t need to buy a $3,000 phone skin. But people buy that shit too. https://www.bellperre.com/uniq/ https://www.bellperre.com/uniq/
    - bubblethink 4y ago
      >a device that is designed to compete with other devices 4x the price That itself is marketing spin. It's not like studios are throwing away their reference monitors for the apple display. You can design anything to compete; winning is the important bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtd7UzLJHrU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtd7UzLJHrU
    - gjvc 4y ago
      I'm sorry you are so triggered by this.
      - dijit 4y ago
        I think the only person triggered is you. You're crying about another company existing? Why do you do that? Does it offend you that people choose things that aren't to your values? This is the same kind of weird bigotry that homophobes use. Who cares? Why does it offend you so much?

but how is said monitor stand a "differentiated good" ?!

by gjvc 4y ago

but how is said monitor stand a "differentiated good" ?!

Because it was mostly advertised wrong. The target market for that screen are buying the VESA mount, but Apple didn't include the VESA mount and added it as an add-on, I'm not sure why; meaning the "$600 Monitor stand upgrade" - which is basically to prevent people buying it as a monitor unless they're going for "Luxury" - became $1,000. The Pro Display XDR is competing with $40,000 screens for tv/movie production- and studios that use displays like that swap them out quite often because they lose their calibration; they have rows of VESA mounts.

gjvc 4y ago
You've convinced me. $600 for a monitor stand is a complete steal.
- dijit 4y ago
  I think you missed the part where I mentioned that it's not really meant to be a bargain, the bargain is the screen. The "luxury stand" is purely a fashion accessory, because anyone who would actually buy the stand is not buying the screen for it's intended purpose (or at least from the target demographic). It's like buying one of those artic polar watches that can go to 150M that's gold plated. The gold plating is not helping you in that situation, whoever is buying the gold plated edition of that watch is buying it as a fashion accessory, not as an expedition watch. If they want to part with their money: let them.
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    Is the monitor stand advertised as a luxury good or as a basic necessity because maybe that is a source of confusion, especially if it's presented as a default accessory.
    - mlyle 4y ago
      It's a $5k display that's intended for pro-use. You can buy it with nothing, with a relatively cheap VESA adapter, or a stand for desktop use cases. The high-end display market is niche; using such a display with a stand to sit on a desk is even more niche. It's a very low volume stand but it also has to be relatively good in both form and function so that people don't whinge that they got what feels like a flimsy $300 monitor's stand for their $5k monitor. Who buys the stand? Unusual pro uses where they're better off with a stand than a VESA mount; and people who are just looking for the highest end "fanciest" monitor ever.
      - gjvc 4y ago
        > It's a $5k display that's intended for pro-use. You make a clear case, except paying 20% of the cost of the device for a stand that sits on the desk seems ridiculous to me.
        philjohn 4y ago
        As has been stated ad nauseam (and you seem to be ignoring) it's a red herring. You instead spend $200 for the VESA adapter and put it on a monitor arm. Which is reusable for your next monitor (and the monitor after that, and the monitor after that etc. etc.) Heck, I can't remember the last monitor I had that I kept the stand - it goes back in the box, and into storage until the warranty expires and then it goes in the trash. The Monitor goes on a VESA mount arm.
        gjvc 4y ago
        The bully always accuses the the victim of what they themselves are guilty of. This chatter about VESA mount arms and if you buy them or not is irrelevant. The price of the monitor stand as stated by Apple what is being discussed.
        mlyle 4y ago
        20% of the cost of the device for a stand is probably typical in actuality-- just it's usually bundled. If it seems ridiculous, don't buy it-- most of us would be using a monitor arm for a monitor like this. It has a nice 4 bar linkage, bearings, etc. It's intrinsically not cheap and is made in extraordinarily low quantities.
gjvc 4y ago
> Because it was mostly advertised wrong. Wrong advertising makes it a differentiated good?! I bet you believe the BS about holding your iPhone wrongly, too. Apple is a real cult.
- dijit 4y ago
  Call a spade a spade: a device that is designed to compete with other devices 4x the price has has an aggressively priced _optional_ “luxury” stand for idiots who want to brag, and you’re mad at Apple? Why? Did they force you to buy one? I keep telling you the target market for these; A: doesn’t need a stand & B: wouldn’t use it if it was included. It’s for people cosplaying as high end video production people; or playing into the “fashion” side of Apple. Why are people so up in arms about Apple trying to be a tech company and a fashion company? Evaluate their products coldly and if they have value to you then buy them, if not: don’t. That stand by all rights has no value to anyone: but the same is true of SUPREME clothing or those trendy Fendi handbags. Get over yourself, it’s all just tools; and a $5k monitor that can do the job of a $40k one is a good value to someone. Just not to you, and that’s fine. I also don’t need to buy a $3,000 phone skin. But people buy that shit too. https://www.bellperre.com/uniq/ https://www.bellperre.com/uniq/
  - bubblethink 4y ago
    >a device that is designed to compete with other devices 4x the price That itself is marketing spin. It's not like studios are throwing away their reference monitors for the apple display. You can design anything to compete; winning is the important bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtd7UzLJHrU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtd7UzLJHrU
  - gjvc 4y ago
    I'm sorry you are so triggered by this.
    - dijit 4y ago
      I think the only person triggered is you. You're crying about another company existing? Why do you do that? Does it offend you that people choose things that aren't to your values? This is the same kind of weird bigotry that homophobes use. Who cares? Why does it offend you so much?