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Uggg we can get anything we want here in the US as well. Lol why do Europeans assume the entirety of the US is a 3rd world backwater nation.

Zigurd 4y ago
Homelessness, declining life expectancy, infant mortality, guns, brownshirt gangs, lax regulations...
- prewett 4y ago
  Homelessness/100k [1]: UK: 54.4, France: 45, Netherlands: 18, China: 18, US: 17.6, Germany: 4.4, Russia: 4 Life expectancy [2]: declining everywhere at about the same rate Infant mortality [3]: Europe ranges from 2.5 (Spain/Portugal) to 3.4 (Netherlands) to 3.6 (Switzerland, Greece) to 3.8 (UK); US is 5.2. By comparison, Canada is 4.8 Guns [4]: Europe is hardly some gunless utopia. Switzerland has 27 legally owned guns per 100 people, Portual 21, Germany 20. Granted, the US does have 120 guns / 100 people. Brownshirt gangs: no idea what this is Lax regulations: hard to quantify this, also "lax" compared to what? Europe is frequently accused of having overly restrictive regulations, especially by entrepreneurial types. The US has problems, but it's hardly a third-world place by these measurements. Instead, it comes off as the sort of condescension that your parent was complaining about. And it's not like Europe doesn't have it's share of problems. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_homeless_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_ho... [2] https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy [3] https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/infant-mortality-rate/country-comparison https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/infant-mortalit... [4] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-ownership-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-owner...
  - Zigurd 4y ago
    > "Brownshirt gangs: no idea what this is" That tracks.
    - DougN7 4y ago
      I have also never heard if brownshirt gangs, and I feel like I’m fairly in top of the news. Is this some sort of name connected with Nazis?
      - pwinnski 4y ago
        Indeed, it's the colloquial name for nazi stormtroopers, and by extension and popular usage, any modern fascist.
  - skinnymuch 4y ago
    Yes the people taking advantage of lax regulation in order to be wealthy capitalists are going to say regulation is overly restrictive. It benefits them. That’s what neoliberalism is. Which happens to be America’s economic system.
pwinnski 4y ago
Get a 2022 or 2023 Fiat 500e, a delightful EV. You can't, Fiat stopped selling them in the US. My 2017 is great, though! There are many different cars and trucks and vans on the roads in Europe that don't seem to be available for sale here at all. There are many choices available in the US that are better than Teslas, but there are even more in Europe.
- survirtual 4y ago
  Name one of these “many choices” under $60k. I’ve looked at all of them and I am telling you, there isn’t another choice of an all EV that can go over 300 miles in a charge. The ones that claim have too many reports of rapid battery degradation after a year, and lack a meaningful fast charging network to go anywhere. Most have under 300 miles of range. It is one thing to say “look at how many are manufacturing EVs”, and a whole other to say look at how many are manufacturing EVs ordinary people can get and use to drive across the US in an old fashioned road trip. There are so many small details that have turned me into saying what I’m saying. Like being able to run climate all night in a Tesla and not freeze while in the middle of no where in winter, and sleep, while still having enough charge in the morning to make it to a charger. Or going into Death Valley and up a canyon, running nearly out of charge, hiking and enjoying the place, then almost completely recharging on the way down with regen braking. There are things I’ve done with this vehicle I wouldn’t dream of doing with others, years of trust built up in small capabilities most people wouldn’t think about or imagine are possible. About the only vehicle I’d trade my Tesla for and take a chance on is a Rivian, but I want to see the longevity and support of Rivian play out before I’d get one.
  - pwinnski 4y ago
    Sure, it's easy to come up with a filter that automatically excludes a long list of great cars. For example, are you aware that the cheapest Tesla available to me with a range over 300 miles is $56,160 plus tax, title, and license[0]? That's $20k more than I paid for my car! The seven less-expensive Teslas available can't do 300 miles on a single charge either. I've got an amazing 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV that I love, that I bought for much less than any Tesla available within 200 miles of me, even the ones with a 267 or 272-mile range. And that's before the $7500 tax credit I'll get, which I wouldn't with a Tesla, so more than $18k less overall. But hey, my EUV is only rated with a 243-mile range. Which is more than my Fiat 500e, and plenty long enough for road trips, given the ABRF app, but fails your filter. I'm glad you're happy with your car. 0. https://www.tesla.com/inventory/new/m3?arrangeby=plh&zip=75024&range=200 https://www.tesla.com/inventory/new/m3?arrangeby=plh&zip=750...
spoils19 4y ago
Exactly. Anything else in the world, you can find in the US for cheaper and higher quality.
- pwinnski 4y ago
  Anything I can find in the US, I can buy cheaper in China, or higher quality in Europe. The US is neither the cheapest nor the highest quality for most things, although it provides a reasonable trade-off of the two for many things.

Zigurd 4y ago

Homelessness, declining life expectancy, infant mortality, guns, brownshirt gangs, lax regulations...

prewett 4y ago
Homelessness/100k [1]: UK: 54.4, France: 45, Netherlands: 18, China: 18, US: 17.6, Germany: 4.4, Russia: 4 Life expectancy [2]: declining everywhere at about the same rate Infant mortality [3]: Europe ranges from 2.5 (Spain/Portugal) to 3.4 (Netherlands) to 3.6 (Switzerland, Greece) to 3.8 (UK); US is 5.2. By comparison, Canada is 4.8 Guns [4]: Europe is hardly some gunless utopia. Switzerland has 27 legally owned guns per 100 people, Portual 21, Germany 20. Granted, the US does have 120 guns / 100 people. Brownshirt gangs: no idea what this is Lax regulations: hard to quantify this, also "lax" compared to what? Europe is frequently accused of having overly restrictive regulations, especially by entrepreneurial types. The US has problems, but it's hardly a third-world place by these measurements. Instead, it comes off as the sort of condescension that your parent was complaining about. And it's not like Europe doesn't have it's share of problems. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_homeless_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_ho... [2] https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy [3] https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/infant-mortality-rate/country-comparison https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/infant-mortalit... [4] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-ownership-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-owner...
- Zigurd 4y ago
  > "Brownshirt gangs: no idea what this is" That tracks.
  - DougN7 4y ago
    I have also never heard if brownshirt gangs, and I feel like I’m fairly in top of the news. Is this some sort of name connected with Nazis?
    - pwinnski 4y ago
      Indeed, it's the colloquial name for nazi stormtroopers, and by extension and popular usage, any modern fascist.
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  Yes the people taking advantage of lax regulation in order to be wealthy capitalists are going to say regulation is overly restrictive. It benefits them. That’s what neoliberalism is. Which happens to be America’s economic system.

pwinnski 4y ago

Get a 2022 or 2023 Fiat 500e, a delightful EV. You can't, Fiat stopped selling them in the US. My 2017 is great, though! There are many different cars and trucks and vans on the roads in Europe that don't seem to be available for sale here at all. There are many choices available in the US that are better than Teslas, but there are even more in Europe.

survirtual 4y ago
Name one of these “many choices” under $60k. I’ve looked at all of them and I am telling you, there isn’t another choice of an all EV that can go over 300 miles in a charge. The ones that claim have too many reports of rapid battery degradation after a year, and lack a meaningful fast charging network to go anywhere. Most have under 300 miles of range. It is one thing to say “look at how many are manufacturing EVs”, and a whole other to say look at how many are manufacturing EVs ordinary people can get and use to drive across the US in an old fashioned road trip. There are so many small details that have turned me into saying what I’m saying. Like being able to run climate all night in a Tesla and not freeze while in the middle of no where in winter, and sleep, while still having enough charge in the morning to make it to a charger. Or going into Death Valley and up a canyon, running nearly out of charge, hiking and enjoying the place, then almost completely recharging on the way down with regen braking. There are things I’ve done with this vehicle I wouldn’t dream of doing with others, years of trust built up in small capabilities most people wouldn’t think about or imagine are possible. About the only vehicle I’d trade my Tesla for and take a chance on is a Rivian, but I want to see the longevity and support of Rivian play out before I’d get one.
- pwinnski 4y ago
  Sure, it's easy to come up with a filter that automatically excludes a long list of great cars. For example, are you aware that the cheapest Tesla available to me with a range over 300 miles is $56,160 plus tax, title, and license[0]? That's $20k more than I paid for my car! The seven less-expensive Teslas available can't do 300 miles on a single charge either. I've got an amazing 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV that I love, that I bought for much less than any Tesla available within 200 miles of me, even the ones with a 267 or 272-mile range. And that's before the $7500 tax credit I'll get, which I wouldn't with a Tesla, so more than $18k less overall. But hey, my EUV is only rated with a 243-mile range. Which is more than my Fiat 500e, and plenty long enough for road trips, given the ABRF app, but fails your filter. I'm glad you're happy with your car. 0. https://www.tesla.com/inventory/new/m3?arrangeby=plh&zip=75024&range=200 https://www.tesla.com/inventory/new/m3?arrangeby=plh&zip=750...

spoils19 4y ago

Exactly. Anything else in the world, you can find in the US for cheaper and higher quality.

pwinnski 4y ago
Anything I can find in the US, I can buy cheaper in China, or higher quality in Europe. The US is neither the cheapest nor the highest quality for most things, although it provides a reasonable trade-off of the two for many things.