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What is the alt left?

by forgotusername6 4y ago

throwaway2729 4y ago
Decent people
gadders 4y ago
- shanebellone 4y ago
  I'm thankful stupid identifies itself.
  - gadders 4y ago
    We are indeed lucky.
    - shanebellone 4y ago
      Touche.
- mcv 4y ago
  NYT isn't that left, is it? It always comes across to me as mildly conservative. Not Trump-stupid conservative, but definitely not far-left. (Mind you, I'm not a NYT reader, so I could be missing out on their left-wing content.) Twitter before Musk was certainly not a left-wing echo chamber. It had plenty of right-wingers, middle of the road jokes, corporate accounts, etc.
ThunderSizzle 4y ago
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mbg721 4y ago
"Alt" is just a way of calling out beliefs you don't like as outliers, hoping that will make them go away.
- shanebellone 4y ago
  The alt-right will absolutely disintegrate in time. Education is trending up, religion is trending down, and archaic views die with those who hold them.
  - mbg721 4y ago
    Religion isn't dying; Christianity might be dying. What you're seeing is fashion, not progress. It's like when older people say "Oh, the kids are so good with technology," when mostly it's clicking around walled-gardens.
    - shanebellone 4y ago
      2021: https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-below-majority-first-time.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-... 2019: https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/260738/why-americans-losing-confidence-organized-religion.aspx https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/260738/why-a...
      - mbg721 4y ago
        Sure, casual Christianity is dying. But saying "Oh, I'm an atheist" doesn't mean that you lack a religion any more than Michael Scott yelling "I declare bankruptcy!" is a declaration of bankruptcy.
        shanebellone 4y ago
        Interesting perspective considering the majority of religious people (that I've encountered) preach without practicing or adhering to established doctrine. Would you consider those people religious, casually religious, or not at all religious?
        mbg721 4y ago
        I'm using "casually religious" to mean "I go to church because my parents always did, but I don't really believe in that superstitious nonsense." Catholicism in particular is going through a stark divide right now, because the "Christmas and Easter" Catholics are no longer bothering to show up for Christmas or Easter. So at a glance, it looks like the Church is getting more conservative, but it's really mostly attrition. But that's all outward religious practice; my comment was more getting at my suspicion that many human behaviors are effectively religion in disguise. Where do axioms come from?

What is the alt left?

throwaway2729 4y ago

Decent people

gadders 4y ago

shanebellone 4y ago
I'm thankful stupid identifies itself.
- gadders 4y ago
  We are indeed lucky.
  - shanebellone 4y ago
    Touche.
mcv 4y ago
NYT isn't that left, is it? It always comes across to me as mildly conservative. Not Trump-stupid conservative, but definitely not far-left. (Mind you, I'm not a NYT reader, so I could be missing out on their left-wing content.) Twitter before Musk was certainly not a left-wing echo chamber. It had plenty of right-wingers, middle of the road jokes, corporate accounts, etc.

ThunderSizzle 4y ago

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mbg721 4y ago

"Alt" is just a way of calling out beliefs you don't like as outliers, hoping that will make them go away.

shanebellone 4y ago
The alt-right will absolutely disintegrate in time. Education is trending up, religion is trending down, and archaic views die with those who hold them.
- mbg721 4y ago
  Religion isn't dying; Christianity might be dying. What you're seeing is fashion, not progress. It's like when older people say "Oh, the kids are so good with technology," when mostly it's clicking around walled-gardens.
  - shanebellone 4y ago
    2021: https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-below-majority-first-time.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-... 2019: https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/260738/why-americans-losing-confidence-organized-religion.aspx https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/260738/why-a...
    - mbg721 4y ago
      Sure, casual Christianity is dying. But saying "Oh, I'm an atheist" doesn't mean that you lack a religion any more than Michael Scott yelling "I declare bankruptcy!" is a declaration of bankruptcy.
      - shanebellone 4y ago
        Interesting perspective considering the majority of religious people (that I've encountered) preach without practicing or adhering to established doctrine. Would you consider those people religious, casually religious, or not at all religious?
        mbg721 4y ago
        I'm using "casually religious" to mean "I go to church because my parents always did, but I don't really believe in that superstitious nonsense." Catholicism in particular is going through a stark divide right now, because the "Christmas and Easter" Catholics are no longer bothering to show up for Christmas or Easter. So at a glance, it looks like the Church is getting more conservative, but it's really mostly attrition. But that's all outward religious practice; my comment was more getting at my suspicion that many human behaviors are effectively religion in disguise. Where do axioms come from?