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Except it is literally what is says under the heading "Common elements": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience#Common_elements https://en.wikipedi

Except it is literally what is says under the heading "Common elements": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience#Common_elements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience#Common_e...

Retric 4y ago
The very first paragraph says: A near-death experience (NDE) is a profound personal experience associated with death or impending death which researchers claim share similar characteristics. When positive, such experiences may encompass a variety of sensations including detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, the experience of absolute dissolution, and the presence of a light. When negative, such experiences may include sensations of anguish, distress, a void, devastation, and vast emptiness. People often report seeing hellish places and things like their own rendition of "the devil."[1][2][3] A post only listing the positive reports is wildly biased. Collect enough data and ignore whatever doesn’t support your views and you can eventually find “evidence” to support anything. You can use the same methods to show NDE are positive, absolutely horrific, or shockingly mundane.
- bowsamic 4y ago
  In Buddhism, those people with the negative experiences are the ones who are going to experience a rebirth in a hell realm, unfortunately for an extremely long number of years (between 10^6 and 10^21 years)
- stareatgoats 4y ago
  Fair enough. Point taken. But how many have had the unpleasant experience? The first reference to such is a paper by Nancy bush and Bruce Greyson, which opens the study thus: "The great majority of near-death experiences (NDEs) reported publicly over the past four decades have been described as pleasant, even glorious. Almost unnoticed in the euphoria about them has been the sobering fact that not all NDEs are so affirming. Some are deeply disturbing."[0] So most are positive, a minority are deeply disturbing. The overarching purpose here was not however to paint any potential afterlife i glowing terms, it was to highlight the fact that there seems to be a widely (probably under-)reported process that we humans experience when we die. Which seems relevant in a discussion about cryogenics. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6173534/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6173534/
  - Retric 4y ago
    The key wording here is: > reported publicly For various cultural reasons people rarely want to talk about negative NDE. This is why studies into the phenomenon that look for possible cases are more objective than interviewing people who come forth. So a study like :”A 1975 study conducted by psychiatrist Raymond Moody, MD, PhD, on around 150 patients who all claimed to have witnessed an NDE stated that such an experience has nine steps.” Shows different results than the recent UK Clinical Trials Gateway where out of 465 patients none reported any visual memories.

Retric 4y ago

The very first paragraph says: A near-death experience (NDE) is a profound personal experience associated with death or impending death which researchers claim share similar characteristics. When positive, such experiences may encompass a variety of sensations including detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, the experience of absolute dissolution, and the presence of a light. When negative, such experiences may include sensations of anguish, distress, a void, devastation, and vast emptiness. People often report seeing hellish places and things like their own rendition of "the devil."[1][2][3] A post only listing the positive reports is wildly biased. Collect enough data and ignore whatever doesn’t support your views and you can eventually find “evidence” to support anything. You can use the same methods to show NDE are positive, absolutely horrific, or shockingly mundane.

bowsamic 4y ago
In Buddhism, those people with the negative experiences are the ones who are going to experience a rebirth in a hell realm, unfortunately for an extremely long number of years (between 10^6 and 10^21 years)
stareatgoats 4y ago
Fair enough. Point taken. But how many have had the unpleasant experience? The first reference to such is a paper by Nancy bush and Bruce Greyson, which opens the study thus: "The great majority of near-death experiences (NDEs) reported publicly over the past four decades have been described as pleasant, even glorious. Almost unnoticed in the euphoria about them has been the sobering fact that not all NDEs are so affirming. Some are deeply disturbing."[0] So most are positive, a minority are deeply disturbing. The overarching purpose here was not however to paint any potential afterlife i glowing terms, it was to highlight the fact that there seems to be a widely (probably under-)reported process that we humans experience when we die. Which seems relevant in a discussion about cryogenics. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6173534/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6173534/
- Retric 4y ago
  The key wording here is: > reported publicly For various cultural reasons people rarely want to talk about negative NDE. This is why studies into the phenomenon that look for possible cases are more objective than interviewing people who come forth. So a study like :”A 1975 study conducted by psychiatrist Raymond Moody, MD, PhD, on around 150 patients who all claimed to have witnessed an NDE stated that such an experience has nine steps.” Shows different results than the recent UK Clinical Trials Gateway where out of 465 patients none reported any visual memories.