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You obviously didn't read the article. It's about national origin quotas which favour immigrants from less populated countries. Not discrimination against imm

You obviously didn't read the article. It's about national origin quotas which favour immigrants from less populated countries. Not discrimination against immigrants once they get to the US...

DanielHB 4y ago
The article doesn't mention, but I can tell companies definitely use the visa as a way to keep your salary low and work you to the bone. It is extremely hard to change jobs if you are on a visa and the employers know it I am a tech immigrant to Sweden and even though the work-visa here is not as bad as the US (if we lose our jobs we got 3 months before we have to leave the country!) it is still quite atrocious
- spritefs 4y ago
  > companies definitely use the visa as a way to keep your salary low and work you to the bone. Isn't this illegal? Aren't H1B required to be paid at least the same as domestic counterparts?
  - thenipper 4y ago
    What I’ve seen is they get hired at a junior level. Then the promotion opportunities are few and far between.
  - wildzzz 4y ago
    The DOL has salary brackets based on job title, experience, and location but I'm sure there's a way for employers to stick H1B workers into experience brackets below where they should be, locate their H1B workers in offices in cheaper locations, or just simply pay them less than their domestic coworkers while still meeting the salary requirements.
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    - spritefs 4y ago
      I don't know if discriminating against visa holders is illegal, but most visa holders are minorities so this would be a violation of the civil rights act
- throw123123123 4y ago
  What do you think importing goods does to salaries?
  - amf12 4y ago
    Contrary to the popular myth, immigration hasn't led to salaries in the tech sector (which has the most immigrants) to go down. In fact, in the last decade they have increased due to an increased competition and high demand. Immigrants also lead to increased demand and job growth: "Contrary to popular belief, immigrants do not take away jobs from American workers. Instead, they create new jobs by forming new businesses, spending their incomes on American goods and services, paying taxes and raising the productivity of U.S. businesses. Immigrants are good for the economy, not the other way around." [1] "However, although immigrants increase the supply of labor, they also spend their wages on homes, food, TVs and other goods and services and expand domestic economic demand. This increased demand, in turn, generates more jobs to build those homes, make and sell food, and transport TVs." [2] "Most empirical studies indicate long-term benefits for natives’ employment and wages from immigration, although some studies suggest that these gains come at the cost of short-term losses from lower wages and higher unemployment. Standard economic theory implies that while higher labor supply from immigration may initially depress wages, over time firms increase investment to restore the amount of capital per worker, which then restores wages." [2] [1] https://www.aclu.org/other/immigrants-and-economy https://www.aclu.org/other/immigrants-and-economy [2] https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-e...
rhaway84773 4y ago
Yeah, because a 180 year wait for someone who already has an approved green card makes complete sense. And god forbid they have kids that they brought along with them completely legally because once those kids turn 18 they have absolutely no standing in the US and have to leave the country. That sounds absolutely reasonable. What makes this even more fascinating is that those kids would have been ok if their parents had come to the US as undocumented immigrants, as opposed to being documented immigrants with approved green cards.
rhaway84773 4y ago
It’s not about visas at all. The people discussed here are on employment visas which have a road to permanent residency. What we’re talking about here are people who have completed their permanent residency applications and have it approved. So it’s a discussion about permanent residency, not visas.
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  Is the word visa in my comment?
- ls15 4y ago
  From the article: > "We all have applied for a green card and it has been approved. Only thing is, we need to wait 150 years to get a green card," said Akhilesh Malavalli. "A hundred fifty years! I'll be dead. I'll be dead by the time we see a green card." > There is a cap on the number of skills-based green cards that can be issued to any one country of origin and there are so many workers from India, getting one has become practically impossible. So the problem seems to be that Indians are more affected by the quotas, because there are many Indians, but of course this puts them at a disadvantage against other nationalities. There is probably also a good reason to have country of origin quotas, but to me it seems a terrible idea to apply that quota after residency applications have already been approved.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    It sucks, but every country has the right to set their own immigration laws. If Indians don't like US laws, maybe they should emigrate to countries that don't put so many onerous restrictions on them. Lots of countries would be happy to have them.
    - amf12 4y ago
      Sure, and immigrants have the right to ask for better laws. Do you think its wrong for immigrants to provide constructive feedback for better laws, to a country that allowed them to immigrate?
atemerev 4y ago
Well, 150 years waiting list time for a green card (with a deportation looming if any of the long list of administrative conditions is violated) definitely looks like discrimination to me.

You obviously didn't read the article. It's about national origin quotas which favour immigrants from less populated countries. Not discrimination against immigrants once they get to the US...

DanielHB 4y ago

The article doesn't mention, but I can tell companies definitely use the visa as a way to keep your salary low and work you to the bone. It is extremely hard to change jobs if you are on a visa and the employers know it I am a tech immigrant to Sweden and even though the work-visa here is not as bad as the US (if we lose our jobs we got 3 months before we have to leave the country!) it is still quite atrocious

spritefs 4y ago
> companies definitely use the visa as a way to keep your salary low and work you to the bone. Isn't this illegal? Aren't H1B required to be paid at least the same as domestic counterparts?
- thenipper 4y ago
  What I’ve seen is they get hired at a junior level. Then the promotion opportunities are few and far between.
- wildzzz 4y ago
  The DOL has salary brackets based on job title, experience, and location but I'm sure there's a way for employers to stick H1B workers into experience brackets below where they should be, locate their H1B workers in offices in cheaper locations, or just simply pay them less than their domestic coworkers while still meeting the salary requirements.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - spritefs 4y ago
    I don't know if discriminating against visa holders is illegal, but most visa holders are minorities so this would be a violation of the civil rights act
throw123123123 4y ago
What do you think importing goods does to salaries?
- amf12 4y ago
  Contrary to the popular myth, immigration hasn't led to salaries in the tech sector (which has the most immigrants) to go down. In fact, in the last decade they have increased due to an increased competition and high demand. Immigrants also lead to increased demand and job growth: "Contrary to popular belief, immigrants do not take away jobs from American workers. Instead, they create new jobs by forming new businesses, spending their incomes on American goods and services, paying taxes and raising the productivity of U.S. businesses. Immigrants are good for the economy, not the other way around." [1] "However, although immigrants increase the supply of labor, they also spend their wages on homes, food, TVs and other goods and services and expand domestic economic demand. This increased demand, in turn, generates more jobs to build those homes, make and sell food, and transport TVs." [2] "Most empirical studies indicate long-term benefits for natives’ employment and wages from immigration, although some studies suggest that these gains come at the cost of short-term losses from lower wages and higher unemployment. Standard economic theory implies that while higher labor supply from immigration may initially depress wages, over time firms increase investment to restore the amount of capital per worker, which then restores wages." [2] [1] https://www.aclu.org/other/immigrants-and-economy https://www.aclu.org/other/immigrants-and-economy [2] https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-e...

rhaway84773 4y ago

Yeah, because a 180 year wait for someone who already has an approved green card makes complete sense. And god forbid they have kids that they brought along with them completely legally because once those kids turn 18 they have absolutely no standing in the US and have to leave the country. That sounds absolutely reasonable. What makes this even more fascinating is that those kids would have been ok if their parents had come to the US as undocumented immigrants, as opposed to being documented immigrants with approved green cards.

rhaway84773 4y ago

It’s not about visas at all. The people discussed here are on employment visas which have a road to permanent residency. What we’re talking about here are people who have completed their permanent residency applications and have it approved. So it’s a discussion about permanent residency, not visas.

Mikeb85 4y ago
Is the word visa in my comment?
ls15 4y ago
From the article: > "We all have applied for a green card and it has been approved. Only thing is, we need to wait 150 years to get a green card," said Akhilesh Malavalli. "A hundred fifty years! I'll be dead. I'll be dead by the time we see a green card." > There is a cap on the number of skills-based green cards that can be issued to any one country of origin and there are so many workers from India, getting one has become practically impossible. So the problem seems to be that Indians are more affected by the quotas, because there are many Indians, but of course this puts them at a disadvantage against other nationalities. There is probably also a good reason to have country of origin quotas, but to me it seems a terrible idea to apply that quota after residency applications have already been approved.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  It sucks, but every country has the right to set their own immigration laws. If Indians don't like US laws, maybe they should emigrate to countries that don't put so many onerous restrictions on them. Lots of countries would be happy to have them.
  - amf12 4y ago
    Sure, and immigrants have the right to ask for better laws. Do you think its wrong for immigrants to provide constructive feedback for better laws, to a country that allowed them to immigrate?

atemerev 4y ago

Well, 150 years waiting list time for a green card (with a deportation looming if any of the long list of administrative conditions is violated) definitely looks like discrimination to me.