> This seems more efficient to me, and safer since cars aren't moving at all when you cross - often you have to share the space with cars turning left when you

> This seems more efficient to me, and safer since cars aren't moving at all when you cross - often you have to share the space with cars turning left when you cross. one of the features i loved moving to London: there's no "cars turning AND pedestrians crossing the street". yes, it does add a bit to congestion, but makes things more safe when walking, as well as when driving (and yes, i do both in London). and it's still weird travelling thru places that don't have this.