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As someone that has frozen cells down many times successfully, I don’t think this will ever work for bodies. If you could save your DNA and a few cells and be

As someone that has frozen cells down many times successfully, I don’t think this will ever work for bodies. If you could save your DNA and a few cells and be cloned at a later date is that good enough for you? No memories but the same code. Is that still “you”? It’s like being an identical twin of yourself.

Self-Perfection 4y ago
Can you imagine any experiment that will adjust your belief? Show you that there is a chance it might work for bodies?
- Mistletoe 4y ago
  Yes, any experiment that freezes down something large and multicellular like an organ and thaws it and it works. The reason freezing cells works is that they have no large 3d structure and the surface area to volume works with the slow freeze down process (1 deg. C per min.) and rapid thawing (as fast as possible) necessary for them to survive.
  - Self-Perfection 4y ago
    Cold resistant frogs fit your description. Hyla japonica withstands freezing to -30°C They function just fine after thawing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_tree_frog#Cold_resistance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_tree_frog#Cold_resist...
yreg 4y ago
No, that's not good enough, software (beyond epigenetics) is what matters here. I would say, that personality is the key thing that one might want to preserve. Ideally, memories as well, the more intact they are, the better. If possible, running it on the original hardware (i.e. the same brain) will satisfy people who believe in continuity of consciousness. (People hesitant to use a teletransporter[0]) Even a computer-simulated mind based on a scan of the original brain would I think be more 'me' than my clone. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletransportation_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletransportation_paradox
- Mistletoe 4y ago
  For me, I think it might help ease the pain of death. I like my code, I want it to continue on. The more we see twin studies the more we see that code is maybe all there is. Sure my clone will have different experiences but I think it would think just like I do. It has different memories and experiences but I will have different experiences from here on out too. It’s the reaction to them that makes me, me.

Self-Perfection 4y ago

Can you imagine any experiment that will adjust your belief? Show you that there is a chance it might work for bodies?

Mistletoe 4y ago
Yes, any experiment that freezes down something large and multicellular like an organ and thaws it and it works. The reason freezing cells works is that they have no large 3d structure and the surface area to volume works with the slow freeze down process (1 deg. C per min.) and rapid thawing (as fast as possible) necessary for them to survive.
- Self-Perfection 4y ago
  Cold resistant frogs fit your description. Hyla japonica withstands freezing to -30°C They function just fine after thawing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_tree_frog#Cold_resistance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_tree_frog#Cold_resist...

yreg 4y ago

No, that's not good enough, software (beyond epigenetics) is what matters here. I would say, that personality is the key thing that one might want to preserve. Ideally, memories as well, the more intact they are, the better. If possible, running it on the original hardware (i.e. the same brain) will satisfy people who believe in continuity of consciousness. (People hesitant to use a teletransporter[0]) Even a computer-simulated mind based on a scan of the original brain would I think be more 'me' than my clone. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletransportation_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletransportation_paradox

Mistletoe 4y ago
For me, I think it might help ease the pain of death. I like my code, I want it to continue on. The more we see twin studies the more we see that code is maybe all there is. Sure my clone will have different experiences but I think it would think just like I do. It has different memories and experiences but I will have different experiences from here on out too. It’s the reaction to them that makes me, me.