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That is exactly the right thing to do. Github (aka Microsoft) should take notice -- Valve could be a big software player in the next decade. "OSS dev payment

That is exactly the right thing to do. Github (aka Microsoft) should take notice -- Valve could be a big software player in the next decade. "OSS dev payment pipelines / mentoring" is passé. Putting all their code into a LLM (of sorts) is not the way forward either. There's still a LOT of OS issues, and Valve seems to have surmounted a very large one, WITHOUT angering anyone.

Vinnl 4y ago
That last bit is interesting to me. If I was a previously-mostly-closed-source company trying to wade into open source, I'd be at least wary about being perceived as stomping in and dictating my will. Especially knowing how easy it is to overrun the (original) volunteer contributors that doubtlessly they're interacting with as well, when bringing in full-time paid developers. Yet, it sounds like they've managed? Possibly because there's a clear road forward that people generally align on, though even then, disputes about things like code architecture can easily arise.
- faeriechangling 4y ago
  Valve has built up trust over a long long period of time and they can get away with things other businesses cannot.
  - 29083011397778 4y ago
    Until you said it, I hadn't realized just how big a factor this is. Replace Valve with nearly any other company in this space, and at least one person would have alluded to "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". Valve built SteamOS and basically monopolized PC gaming (IMO by building a better product) - yet everyone loves them. Even the die-hard FOSS people don't rage about Valve's flaws, because Valve has shown they can strive for perfect and hit good enough along the way. I'm sure there's history I'm missing, and Valve / Steam undoubtedly has flaws. But while good will can take a long time to build, god has it helped Valve here.
    - thaumasiotes 4y ago
      > Valve built SteamOS and basically monopolized PC gaming (IMO by building a better product) - yet everyone loves them. Not everyone loves them.
      - 29083011397778 4y ago
        You're right - but the tone of the comments section regarding Valve is very different compared to the mixed bag below typically found below articles of other companies. Everyone may go too far, but the majority seem to hold Valve in higher regard than nearly any other FAANG, Microsoft, and any other PC gaming storefront aside from GOG (from what I've seen).
    - Rastonbury 4y ago
      I don't know about market share but they are don't really have the ability to wield their monopoly power to hurt consumers, I'm a casual gamer I must admit but I have games on other stores/launchers. I think the thing people like the most is that people actually have a choice from Windows, the original monopolist

Vinnl 4y ago

That last bit is interesting to me. If I was a previously-mostly-closed-source company trying to wade into open source, I'd be at least wary about being perceived as stomping in and dictating my will. Especially knowing how easy it is to overrun the (original) volunteer contributors that doubtlessly they're interacting with as well, when bringing in full-time paid developers. Yet, it sounds like they've managed? Possibly because there's a clear road forward that people generally align on, though even then, disputes about things like code architecture can easily arise.

faeriechangling 4y ago
Valve has built up trust over a long long period of time and they can get away with things other businesses cannot.
- 29083011397778 4y ago
  Until you said it, I hadn't realized just how big a factor this is. Replace Valve with nearly any other company in this space, and at least one person would have alluded to "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". Valve built SteamOS and basically monopolized PC gaming (IMO by building a better product) - yet everyone loves them. Even the die-hard FOSS people don't rage about Valve's flaws, because Valve has shown they can strive for perfect and hit good enough along the way. I'm sure there's history I'm missing, and Valve / Steam undoubtedly has flaws. But while good will can take a long time to build, god has it helped Valve here.
  - thaumasiotes 4y ago
    > Valve built SteamOS and basically monopolized PC gaming (IMO by building a better product) - yet everyone loves them. Not everyone loves them.
    - 29083011397778 4y ago
      You're right - but the tone of the comments section regarding Valve is very different compared to the mixed bag below typically found below articles of other companies. Everyone may go too far, but the majority seem to hold Valve in higher regard than nearly any other FAANG, Microsoft, and any other PC gaming storefront aside from GOG (from what I've seen).
  - Rastonbury 4y ago
    I don't know about market share but they are don't really have the ability to wield their monopoly power to hurt consumers, I'm a casual gamer I must admit but I have games on other stores/launchers. I think the thing people like the most is that people actually have a choice from Windows, the original monopolist