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I have a few questions about the relevance of this. > 1.2 guns per citizen After 1 gun, do guns truly become more dangerous? For someone opening a door, I don

by nawgz 4y ago

I have a few questions about the relevance of this. > 1.2 guns per citizen After 1 gun, do guns truly become more dangerous? For someone opening a door, I don't think handgun vs AR vs shotgun is a very meaningful distinction - you're going to die if you get shot in the face > loaded up to the gills Isn't it true that one of the top arguments used against gun control that criminals will have the weapons anyways? Therefore, as a LEO being summoned to a potential crime scene, isn't it true that they would behave in accordance with the person being a potential criminal, and therefore living outside of "guns per citizen" statistics? And therefore isn't the global approach to SWATting likely done without respect to the local environment, but instead in accordance with best practices of deescalation and safety? I look forward to hearing you expand your thoughts.

lazyasciiart 4y ago
A small group of Americans actually own guns, maybe 20%. So yes, the average gun owner has more like 5 guns. As for entering the property, if there’s five people and one gun, that’s a lot different to five people and thirty guns.
- reducesuffering 4y ago
  Most of the SWATing issues are in states where households have 30-40% rates, many with as high as 55-65% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country#List_of_countries_by_estimated_number_of_guns_per_100_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_g...
- rsj_hn 4y ago
  It's best to look at households because children generally don't own their own gun, and often if there is a couple, only one of them will own a gun (usually the man). 44% of US households have at least one firearm in the house. Not "a small group". In terms of individuals of all ages, it's 32% of all individuals owning guns -- 45% of all men own a gun but only 19% of all women own a gun. Therefore the population where it's unusual to own a gun is single women. Single men are also less likely to own a gun than married men. If we look at those who are married, 52% of all married couples live in a household with guns. https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own...
- tasty_freeze 4y ago
  Your stats seemed low, so I looked it up on this Gallup poll. The data is from two years ago, but it probably hasn't changed much. 32% of US adults say they own a gun. 44% of adults say they live in a house that has at least one gun. https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own... However, I agree with your overall sentiment -- the distribution is far from uniform.
- nawgz 4y ago
  You mean 44% of Americans have more like 3 guns, by the official record, which vaguely addresses my weakest point I suppose. Not sure this does anything to justify the US approach to policing

by nawgz 4y ago

lazyasciiart 4y ago

A small group of Americans actually own guns, maybe 20%. So yes, the average gun owner has more like 5 guns. As for entering the property, if there’s five people and one gun, that’s a lot different to five people and thirty guns.

reducesuffering 4y ago
Most of the SWATing issues are in states where households have 30-40% rates, many with as high as 55-65% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country#List_of_countries_by_estimated_number_of_guns_per_100_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_g...
rsj_hn 4y ago
It's best to look at households because children generally don't own their own gun, and often if there is a couple, only one of them will own a gun (usually the man). 44% of US households have at least one firearm in the house. Not "a small group". In terms of individuals of all ages, it's 32% of all individuals owning guns -- 45% of all men own a gun but only 19% of all women own a gun. Therefore the population where it's unusual to own a gun is single women. Single men are also less likely to own a gun than married men. If we look at those who are married, 52% of all married couples live in a household with guns. https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own...
tasty_freeze 4y ago
Your stats seemed low, so I looked it up on this Gallup poll. The data is from two years ago, but it probably hasn't changed much. 32% of US adults say they own a gun. 44% of adults say they live in a house that has at least one gun. https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own... However, I agree with your overall sentiment -- the distribution is far from uniform.
nawgz 4y ago
You mean 44% of Americans have more like 3 guns, by the official record, which vaguely addresses my weakest point I suppose. Not sure this does anything to justify the US approach to policing