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Zero-Covid would only make sense while you don’t have a strong vaccine with good uptake. After that, it makes sense to open up but take precautions like masking

Zero-Covid would only make sense while you don’t have a strong vaccine with good uptake. After that, it makes sense to open up but take precautions like masking in crowded conditions or during spike outbreaks. China seemed to stick with zero-covid for too long and never did get a vaccine that produced a strong and long lasting immune response and refused to import a vaccine. Secondary question… is this related to the linked article?

agentgumshoe 4y ago
Nowhere in the world at present has a strong vaccine and 'good' is probably a plastic term in defining usefullness, especially if you're trying to hit the elusive herd immunity number.
imgabe 4y ago
It's the first sentence in the linked article.
TylerE 4y ago
Newer variants like BQQ mostly evade the vaccine and (even more concerningly, the monoclonal antibodies don’t work so hot either https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/23495149/covid-19-treatment-monoclonal-antibody-therapy-drug https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/23495149/covid-19-tre...
jefftk 4y ago
Your "Zero-Covid would only make sense while you don’t have a strong vaccine with good uptake." explains your "China seemed to stick with zero-covid for too long": they "never did get a vaccine that produced a strong and long lasting immune response and refused to import a vaccine." That is, given the constraints of "Sinovac isn't very good" and "we're not going to import" they were stuck with zero-covid.
- unity1001 4y ago
  Sinovac is good. Almost entire Asia, Africa, South America used it. If it was bad, then everyone would be 'stuck with zero-covid'. Sinovac is not good only because Wall Street wants to sell Pfizer to China and China doesnt want it. Hence "Xi isn't willing to accept VACCINES" nonsensical title. It was either in WaPo or NYT. Literally lying, smearing, corporate hit job that drops one word, 'Pfizer' in order to be able to push it behind the word 'vaccines'. Why Pfizer? Because their lobbyists turned out to be most influential. Neutralizing every single vaccine maker in the West including the mRNA alternative, Moderna. Hence the gigantic campaign that is "China is in trouble". ... Its not China that is losing ~100,000 a year to covid despite vaccination and 'reopening'. Its the US. The US is in trouble.
unity1001 4y ago
> China seemed to stick with zero-covid for too long and never did get a vaccine that produced a strong and long lasting immune response and refused to import a vaccine. Asia, Africa, South America used Sinovac. If it was 'weak', there would be catastrophes all around. Since there isn't any such catastrophe anywhere, its not a matter of Sinovac being weak - its a matter of Pfizer lobbyists being dominant and wanting to push their product through entire Angloamerican establishment, and doing so through both the state organs and the corporate media. First, China 'had to reopen'. Then, China is immediately 'in trouble'. Now, 'Xi is hesitant to accept vaccines', for some reason, despite China having a variety of domestically produced vaccines -> but obviously, the lobby push to export Pfizer was done and failed in China with China preferring its own vaccines. Hence the new smear job against China's own vaccines. The mere progression of the headlines in the past 2-3 weeks can tell one what is the highest level geopolitical/corporate play that is being done.

agentgumshoe 4y ago

Nowhere in the world at present has a strong vaccine and 'good' is probably a plastic term in defining usefullness, especially if you're trying to hit the elusive herd immunity number.

imgabe 4y ago

It's the first sentence in the linked article.

TylerE 4y ago

Newer variants like BQQ mostly evade the vaccine and (even more concerningly, the monoclonal antibodies don’t work so hot either https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/23495149/covid-19-treatment-monoclonal-antibody-therapy-drug https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/23495149/covid-19-tre...

jefftk 4y ago

Your "Zero-Covid would only make sense while you don’t have a strong vaccine with good uptake." explains your "China seemed to stick with zero-covid for too long": they "never did get a vaccine that produced a strong and long lasting immune response and refused to import a vaccine." That is, given the constraints of "Sinovac isn't very good" and "we're not going to import" they were stuck with zero-covid.

unity1001 4y ago
Sinovac is good. Almost entire Asia, Africa, South America used it. If it was bad, then everyone would be 'stuck with zero-covid'. Sinovac is not good only because Wall Street wants to sell Pfizer to China and China doesnt want it. Hence "Xi isn't willing to accept VACCINES" nonsensical title. It was either in WaPo or NYT. Literally lying, smearing, corporate hit job that drops one word, 'Pfizer' in order to be able to push it behind the word 'vaccines'. Why Pfizer? Because their lobbyists turned out to be most influential. Neutralizing every single vaccine maker in the West including the mRNA alternative, Moderna. Hence the gigantic campaign that is "China is in trouble". ... Its not China that is losing ~100,000 a year to covid despite vaccination and 'reopening'. Its the US. The US is in trouble.

unity1001 4y ago

> China seemed to stick with zero-covid for too long and never did get a vaccine that produced a strong and long lasting immune response and refused to import a vaccine. Asia, Africa, South America used Sinovac. If it was 'weak', there would be catastrophes all around. Since there isn't any such catastrophe anywhere, its not a matter of Sinovac being weak - its a matter of Pfizer lobbyists being dominant and wanting to push their product through entire Angloamerican establishment, and doing so through both the state organs and the corporate media. First, China 'had to reopen'. Then, China is immediately 'in trouble'. Now, 'Xi is hesitant to accept vaccines', for some reason, despite China having a variety of domestically produced vaccines -> but obviously, the lobby push to export Pfizer was done and failed in China with China preferring its own vaccines. Hence the new smear job against China's own vaccines. The mere progression of the headlines in the past 2-3 weeks can tell one what is the highest level geopolitical/corporate play that is being done.